It just feels like there’s no news, even for a bear market is this worse?

Morgan Stanley Purchases 1,000 Bitcoin, Brings Total Holdings To 5,761 BTC

Morgan Stanley added nearly 1,000 BTC over the past two weeks, bringing its total holdings to 5,761 BTC, according to Arkham data.

I DCA every month but I‘m curious what makes you believe in bitcoin?

I’ve been using Strike for a while and DCA.

I saw that Cash App now has no fees and no spread on recurring buys including 2k purchases or more, while Strike still has a small spread even though the recurring buy fee is gone.

For anyone who’s used both, is it actually worth switching? Or is the difference so small that it’s better to just stick with Strike?

Curious what people who’ve tried both would do.

I can’t believe this

I'm looking to connect with reputable, high-volume Bitcoin OTC providers or brokers.

If you've personally completed large OTC BTC transactions, I'd appreciate any recommendations for established firms or brokers with a strong track record. I'm interested in learning about your experience, how counterparties were verified, and what due diligence was involved.

If you know of a legitimate OTC desk or have experience working with one, feel free to comment or send me a message. Thank you.

I feel like it should be fine too but thought I'd ask if there anything to look out for ( only just starting to buy crypto now so I've never used it )

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How would they spend big money without using banks. Like those hundred million $? Any purchase of physical asset will draw attention of governments.

We're not waiting for the next Bitcoin bull market. We're living through the part everyone wishes they had the courage to buy. The next bull market is being built in complete silence.

When are you going to receive BTC, which network or format do you usually use?

• ⚡ Lightning

• ???? Native SegWit (Standard)

• ???? Taproot / Silent Payments

• ???? Legacy (The one with expensive fees!)

Leave it here in the comments! I want to see who really understands how fees and privacy work around here. ????

Three days ago, I was clearing out my garage and found an old Toshiba laptop from college. I almost tossed it, but for some reason decided to boot it up.

After 20 minutes of watching that Windows Vista loading circle, I noticed a folder labeled 'Important Stuff' with a text document inside.

The document contained what I now know is a private key for a Bitcoin wallet, along with a note I'd written to myself: 'Don't lose this $100 worth of magic internet money.'

At first, I didn't think much of it. But something made me download Electrum and import that key. When the blockchain finished syncing and I saw the balance, my hands started shaking.

It's still there. All 0.1 BTC. At today's prices, that's over $6k.

But here's the thing, I can't move it. Why?

I'm starting to think there's something wrong with the key format or maybe the wallet structure has changed too much since 2013.

Has anyone ever experienced this? The irony is killing me, I find my lost treasure only to discover I can't open the chest.

DMs are open if you've got a brain that works.

Any discussions on bitcoins trend in rest of this year?

Vocês ainda acham que o Bitcoin é um recurso para todos?

On February 24, 2026, Bitcoin exchange Bull Bitcoin filed a petition with France's Conseil d'État, the country's highest administrative court, seeking to annul Decree No. 2025-1276, France's implementation of the EU's DAC8 directive.

What DAC8 actually requires

DAC8 (Directive (EU) 2023/2226, adopted by the EU Council in 2023) took effect January 1, 2026. It requires "crypto-asset service providers", the exchanges most Bitcoin holders use to buy, sell, or cash out, to collect each customer's identity and transaction history and report it annually to their national tax authority. That data is then automatically exchanged with tax authorities in other EU member states, and eventually with non-EU countries that adopt the OECD's parallel Crypto-Asset Reporting Framework (CARF).

Worth being precise here: DAC8 does not regulate self-custody or on-chain activity directly. It's a reporting obligation on regulated exchanges. But if you've ever bought or sold Bitcoin through an EU-licensed exchange, your identity is now tied, inside a government database, to your transaction history.

Key dates

DAC8 in force: January 1, 2026
French decree signed: December 19, 2025 (Décret n° 2025-1276)
Summary petition filed: February 24, 2026, followed by a more detailed legal brief
First reports (covering 2026 activity) due: before September 30, 2027, after which automatic cross-border data exchange begins

The legal argument

Bull Bitcoin's case rests on Article 52 of the EU Charter of Fundamental Rights, arguing that blanket, suspicionless collection of financial data fails the necessity-and-proportionality test. One procedural limit worth flagging: the Conseil d'État can only annul the French decree, not the EU directive itself — though it could refer a question to the Court of Justice of the European Union if it finds a genuine EU-law interpretation issue. Bull Bitcoin has said it's prepared to escalate to the CJEU and France's Constitutional Council if this fails.

The physical-security angle

The petition also raises a safety argument. France's Interior Minister, Laurent Nuñez, said on June 30, 2026, that authorities have recorded 77 cases of kidnapping, extortion, or attempted extortion linked to the crypto sector since the start of 2026, up from 45 for all of 2025. That count comes from the ministry itself, independent of Bull Bitcoin's filing. Bull Bitcoin argues that centralizing identity-linked financial data raises the odds that a future breach could help criminals locate holders; that specific causal chain hasn't been established by French authorities, so treat it as the plaintiff's argument, not a proven fact.

What to watch next

A ruling on the merits isn't expected for one to two years. Worth watching: whether the Conseil d'État refers the case to the CJEU, and whether other EU member states see similar challenges filed. This is the first formal legal test of DAC8 anywhere in the EU, so the outcome (however far off) will matter well beyond France.

Source/analysis: The Bitcoin Act

Hi r/Bitcoin,

A few months ago I shared a slightly unusual experiment here: beer with sats hidden under every cap.

I’m Altan from Beer of Satoshi. The idea was to make someone’s first Lightning interaction as simple as opening a bottle. You scan the QR code under the cap, reveal the reward in your browser, and claim the sats with a Lightning wallet.

The response to the first post was much bigger than I expected, but the comments were more valuable than the attention itself. Some people loved the concept. Others were very direct about its weaknesses.

The first Genesis batch was expensive at roughly €7 per bottle. And for people who did not drink alcohol, the product simply was not an option.

One comment in particular stayed with me: “I like the idea, but I don’t drink alcohol.”

That was a fair point. If the goal is to give more people a simple first Bitcoin experience, alcohol should not be a requirement.

We had already produced a small alcohol-free test batch for Bitcoin Amsterdam 2025. It sold out, but the more interesting part was watching what happened after people opened the bottles. They scanned the caps, compared their rewards, helped each other with Lightning wallets, and made claims right there at the event.

That convinced us to turn the test batch into a proper release.

It is called Beer of Satoshi Zero.

Zero is alcohol-free, but the Bitcoin experience under the cap stays the same. Every bottle reveals a sats reward in the browser, which can then be claimed over Lightning. No account is required, and you do not need a wallet just to reveal the amount. You only need one when you actually want to claim the sats.

We also worked on the price. The 24-pack pre-order is €70.80, which comes to €2.95 per bottle. Smaller packs are available as well.

This is a pre-order rather than ready stock, and the first shipments are planned for Q1 2027.

Since the original Reddit thread, the public leaderboard has grown to 1,780 claims from 767 users, with 470,228 sats distributed.

Those are still small numbers in the wider Bitcoin world, but they are enough to show why the concept can work.

Telling someone to install a Lightning wallet because Bitcoin is interesting often creates friction. Showing them that sats are already waiting under a cap gives them a concrete reason to take the next step.

That moment — when Bitcoin changes from something a person has only heard about into something they have actually received — is still the reason we are building this.

Here is the original discussion:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1p4oili/beer_of_satoshi_my_experiment_to_get_real_people/

Beer of Satoshi Zero:

https://shop.beerofsatoshi.com/products/beer-of-satoshi-zero

Public claim leaderboard:

https://leaderboard.beerofsatoshi.com

The feedback on the first post genuinely changed the product. So before we finalise the production run, I would like to ask the community again:

What would you improve about the first-time scan-and-claim experience?

Cheers,
Altan

Hey everyone,
I’m in Canada and I’m planning to buy and hold Bitcoin for the long term. I’m looking for the best hardware (cold) wallet that’s secure and easy to use.
A few questions:
Which cold wallet would you recommend? (Coldcard, Trezor, Ledger, Blockstream Jade, etc.)
Which one has the lowest overall fees to use?
What’s the cheapest exchange in Canada to buy BTC and transfer it to a cold wallet?
Are there any ways to legally reduce taxes when buying and eventually selling Bitcoin in Canada?
I’d really appreciate hearing what you’re personally using and why. Thanks!

Essentially spent $20 million. Not to mention the remaining BTC that got seized by the government when silk road got shut down.

No real regrets though.

Hola, ¿alguien podría decirme si aún es rentable la minería de BTC en 2026?
Tengo una RX 6600, cabe resaltar que no pago energía eléctrica por la zona en donde estoy.

He querido empezar, encontré un programa llamado NiceHash, pero al parecer la gente no da buenas referencias.

Agradezco el apoyo de todos.✌️

Hey everyone,

I wanted to throw my current strategy out there, see what the community thinks, and find out if anyone else is running this exact same setup.

First, the ground rules for my portfolio: I am a long-term Bitcoin believer. I DCA into BTC weekly, I have zero intention of stopping, and my core cold-storage stack is completely untouchable. I’m not selling it.

However, life is happening right now. My family loves to travel, and I want to spend money making memories while the kids are young. I don't want to look back in 10 or 15 years wishing we had taken those trips. At the same time, I absolutely refuse to sell a single sat from my core BTC stack to fund vacations.

To bridge the gap, I’ve started running a parallel strategy using MicroStrategy (MSTR) stock:

The Long-Term Base: Keep the weekly spot BTC DCA running automatically in the background (generational wealth, never to be touched).

The Travel Vehicle: Direct extra, separate capital into MSTR stock inside a traditional brokerage account.

The Target: MSTR acts like a high-beta, corporate-leveraged play on Bitcoin. When BTC ultimately hits a major milestone like $200k+, MSTR should theoretically give me an amplified return on that specific capital.

The Exit: I take profits strictly by selling the MSTR stock to fund family travels, leaving my actual Bitcoin completely intact.

To me, it feels like the ultimate way to "have my cake and eat it too." I get to use the explosive upside of the crypto market to enjoy real-life experiences today, without violating my golden rule of never selling my real Bitcoin.

I know the risks—MSTR’s corporate leverage cuts both ways during drawdowns, and the Net Asset Value (NAV) premium can be highly erratic. But treating it strictly as a volatile lifestyle trading tool feels cleaner than touching cold storage.

Is anyone else out there following this exact same tactic? If you use MSTR as a profit-taking satellite asset while maintaining a separate, permanent spot BTC stack, how has it worked out for you? What do you guys think of this approach?

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Better late than never.

Said humble bitcoin guy.

This might be a dumb question but does anyone remember a project years ago where people ran their computers together trying to scan/guess private keys? Can't remember what it was called.

Did that ever actually work, like finding a real wallet with money in it? My gut says brute forcing a key like that is basically impossible but honestly not sure, hoping someone here knows more than me.

Had to buy Bitcoin to recharge my CivitAI account for AI model purchases. Thought it'd be easy breezy but it was anything but. Used Binance—I have no idea why a currency that's supposed to replace real money and is crowned for anonymity requires me to give every effing detail of my being just to get and transfer. Also, the absurd amounts of commissions just to buy it. If I didn't think this before, now I definitely think this is the biggest fking scam for the biggest fking losers on earth. It literally asked for the address and details of the company I was transferring to, had me record my face and make silly movements just to verify the transfer; there was nothing anonymous about it, just absolute humiliation. Fuk Bitcoin. I'm glad it's dying.

As an ex troller this sub is full of troll, price is just as usual, every cycle. But the people are like to troll. Real life.

Anybody here holding BTCI or the new BITA ETFs? They essentially use options to create "dividends" for shareholders at pretty substantial yields. Pretty juicy returns when BTC was in a bull market and still good but decreasing in conjunction with the drop in BTC prices. I'm thinking of taking on some shares, but then thought, how will these do when the price of BTC is rising since they use option strategies such as covered calls? They would probably have to close out their options if BTC goes parabolic, but would still experience the share price appreciation from holding BTC ETFs. Anyone have thoughts?

In 2012, when I first bought Bitcoin, it was $13 a coin. I watched it go from $13 to over $100,000. Now I’ll watch it go $100,000 to $1 million a coin. You believe yet?

Hello I bought Trezor to pay for my proton/tuta email with bitcoin. How can I stay anonymous? I see that to buy bitcoin with Trezor in the USA they need my drivers license info with third party companies if buying from credit card or PayPal. Should I still do this or buy the bitcoin another way for more safety/security?

Thanks for help, ask me anything

How a wallet that adopted my privacy framework turned technical disagreement into a reputational war—and what I got wrong too

The fully sourced and illustrated version, together with the complete evidence archive, is available on GitHub. The archive preserves court filings, source-code snapshots, public posts, private-message records, Research Club transcripts, and screenshots.

After law enforcement seized Samourai Wallet’s servers, William Hill—TDevD—messaged an associate:

“Not good.”

“I’m not thinking so much about Whirlpool as I am about the wallet backends (xpubs).”

An extended public key cannot spend a user’s bitcoin, but it can reveal the addresses derived from a wallet and follow their history. For years, I had argued that Samourai’s default backend created exactly this point of failure. Hill’s message, reproduced in the government’s sentencing memorandum, showed that he understood why the seizure of that backend mattered.

The seizure did not create the xpub problem. It exposed the consequences of a design choice that had been there from the start.

I do not offer this post-mortem as vindication. A prison sentence cannot settle a protocol dispute, and an indictment cannot make every allegation true. I will distinguish what the public record establishes, what I infer from it, and what I remember but cannot independently prove.

To understand what was sitting on that server—and why I had spent years shouting about it—we have to go back to a README file in July 2017, before the feud began.

How ZeroLink actually began

I wanted Samourai to succeed in implementing ZeroLink. I wanted more wallets to implement serious Bitcoin privacy, and I wanted ZeroLink to become useful software rather than another specification admired by a small circle and ignored by everyone else.

I created ZeroLink. The repository history makes the chronology clear.

I opened it on July 28, 2017. Before Samourai made a single commit, I had made 19 commits and written a 184-line, 2,883-word document containing the framework’s core architecture. Samourai’s first commit arrived two days later. Its title was “Fix typos”. It did exactly that.

ZeroLink was not merely a name for a CoinJoin transaction. It was a privacy framework for Bitcoin wallets: blinded coordination together with rules for network privacy, coin selection, transaction chains, and spending after the mix. Chaumian CoinJoin was the protocol; ZeroLink was the wider wallet framework. That is the work Samourai later claimed to have co-created.

At the August 14 publication snapshot, Git blame attributes 6,126 of the document’s 6,627 words to me and 242 to Bill/TDevD. Their only sizeable technical addition concerned BIP47 and stealth addresses.

At the time, I did not understand what problem that proposal solved or why it belonged in ZeroLink. Instead of challenging it, I assumed I was missing something and accepted it out of politeness. Two days later, I clarified that BIP47 was not part of the protocol, and I removed the section in 2019. The rest of their work was overwhelmingly light editing.

I had also placed TDevD in the Authors section before that proposal was committed. Both decisions came from the same reflex: they spoke with confidence, I assumed any confusion was mine, and I tried to be generous. That politeness was later used to support an authorship claim the repository does not support.

By 2022—three years after I had publicly challenged the co-creation story, with the Git history still open for inspection—Samourai was still repeating it.

I regard those later repetitions as a lie. “Collaboration” can be innocent shorthand before anyone disputes it. It stops being innocent after the primary record is placed in front of you and you continue telling the version that promotes you from reviewer and prospective implementer to co-creator.

Our contact was limited. We barely spoke, and I was never part of Samourai. I had created ZeroLink; Samourai said it intended to implement it.

Brian “Shinobi” Trollz, who observed the dispute at the time, later recalled a specific turning point. I asked for a week to consider whether coordinators could be run altruistically. During that week, he said, Samourai’s posture toward me shifted into mockery. By April 2019, I had recorded that they were no longer interested or responsive and that I had continued independently.

People can disagree about why our limited contact ended. The authorship record is not a matter of recollection.

The central privacy difference

The authorship dispute mattered to me. The architectural difference between the wallets mattered to users.

Wasabi’s default architecture was designed to deny its own operator the wallet graph. The backend distributed block filters; clients checked addresses locally; wallet traffic went through Tor; and blinded CoinJoin credentials prevented the coordinator from linking a registered input to its output. A user did not have to operate a personal server to hide addresses and transaction history from us. Privacy from the service operator was the default.

Samourai’s default client sent extended public keys to Samourai’s hosted backend. Whoever possesses an xpub can derive its associated addresses and follow their transactions.

Samourai’s own Dojo documentation disclosed the consequence indirectly. Running MyDojo improved privacy by “completely bypassing” the default hosted servers, while its Tracker recorded registered xpubs and addresses.

Then came the clearest lie in the xpub argument.

In October 2022, Kruw pointed out that the default app exposed the user’s xpub and asked why Samourai would not use BIP157/BIP158 client-side filters. The official wallet account refused, defended what it called “the best architecture for our needs,” and claimed it had been “open and truthful from day one.”

When asked whether wider BIP157 adoption would change that decision, the official account answered:

“We are a full node wallet. Always have been.”

That statement remains public.

It was false. The Android app was a light client of a backing server. Dojo could place that server and a Bitcoin Core node under the user’s control, but it did not turn the phone into a full node. Samourai’s own 2019 announcement said default users had to trust its servers with their public keys. Hill’s sentencing submission later described the architecture as one used by “light wallets.”

Tor support existed, but it was not enabled by default. Samourai’s signed source allowed a user to create a wallet while Tor remained off, treated the Tor preference as false unless the user enabled it, and used the ordinary network path for xpub requests when Tor was disabled.

An April 2023 report on Samourai’s own GitLab included the wallet-creation screen with Tor off, Dojo unconfigured, and Create a new wallet still available. The issue, titled “Important privacy features are disabled by default,” proposed enabling Tor and Dojo by default or at least warning users what the disabled settings exposed.

A Samourai project owner said the proposal would not be merged, called the report “concern trolling,” issued a “first and final warning,” and immediately closed it. The archived issue preserves the exchange.

The privacy problem was reported on their own development platform. Their response was to reject the change and threaten the reporter.

An earlier exchange used a different evasion. In July 2022, a user wrote:

“Xpub is sent to whirlpool servers.”

Hill answered:

“No xpubs are handled by the coordinator.”

The xpubs went to Samourai’s wallet backend, not the Whirlpool coordinator. He changed the noun while avoiding the issue. In the same reply, he claimed Samourai had implemented ZeroLink “on spec,” something I supposedly “didn’t have the skill set to do.” The post simultaneously evaded the backend question and reversed the authorship record.

Sentinel, Samourai’s watch-only app, made the architecture even easier to see. A watch-only wallet legitimately needs an xpub, and Sentinel correctly said it could not spend the user’s coins. The privacy question was what happened after the user imported that xpub.

In August 2017, Samourai committed a change titled “move XPUB multiaddr to Samourai API”. From then on, Sentinel sent tracked xpubs to Samourai’s hosted backend. It did so for more than two years before Tor routing was added. When Tor arrived, its preference defaulted to off.

Sentinel could not steal users’ coins. Its hosted mode could map their wallets. That collection was integral to the product, not incidental telemetry.

Dojo arrived years later

Dojo did not erase what the default client had already disclosed.

Dojo’s server code was released on June 2, 2019, nearly four years into Samourai’s life. Even then, Samourai said the wallet required another update before it could pair with Dojo.

Version 0.99.81 finally added pairing on July 11, 2019, but only for a newly created wallet. Restoring an existing wallet was explicitly unsupported. Samourai’s own release announcement instructed users to create a new wallet after pairing.

An earlier user who wanted to stop using Samourai’s hosted servers therefore had to create a new wallet behind Dojo and move funds out of the old wallet. That could prevent disclosure of the new wallet’s xpub. It could not retract the old xpub or history already sent to Samourai. A direct transfer between the wallets would also remain visible on-chain.

Dojo gave later self-hosters a way to avoid future disclosure. It did not retroactively protect default users.

The Blockchain.info lineage

William led the Blockchain.info Android wallet project that preceded Samourai. He opened the surviving Android-Wallet-2-App history with its April 2014 initial commit and is its dominant visible developer by commit count.

His sentencing submission calls him Blockchain.com’s senior mobile developer. Contemporary coverage identifies Keonne Rodriguez as the product lead responsible for the refreshed wallet’s interface and user experience. William’s commits even include “UI prep for shared coin”, referring to Blockchain.info’s earlier mixing product.

They did not create Blockchain.info itself. They did lead the mobile-wallet project from which Samourai emerged.

Samourai then kept its own source private for approximately a year. At the time, it said this delay was deliberate and intended to give the product a competitive “leg-up.” When the first public Samourai snapshot appeared in March 2016, it contained unmistakable Blockchain.info lineage.

That does not mean the entire application was a verbatim copy. It does contradict the image of a clean-sheet privacy wallet appearing from nowhere.

SharedCoin matters because its trust problem was already understood. It was noncustodial, but its server constructed the joins and knew their links. Public transaction ambiguity could not provide privacy from the operator that already knew the mapping.

Samourai rebuilt that operator-trust problem by collecting wallet-level public keys on its default server.

I raised this before the seizure. In an April 2020 Wasabi Research Club discussion about ZeroLink, I described the rejected design plainly: a trusted central server to which everyone sends their xpubs. That, I said, “obviously sounds pretty stupid,” which is why ZeroLink used blinded coordination.

In July 2021, I again explained that if a server possesses the xpub, repeated mixing cannot erase what the server already knows. In September 2022, during a discussion of balance-query architectures, I warned that an xpub retained on another computer could later be exposed through hacking or seizure.

The government seized Samourai’s servers in April 2024.

The practical distinction was whether the operator was technically prevented from learning wallet relationships or merely trusted not to use them.

Wasabi was not perfect against every imaginable adversary. No honest system built on Bitcoin, Tor, fallible software, and human behavior can promise that. But against the service operator—the adversary at the center of this dispute—Wasabi placed cryptography and local processing between the user and us. Samourai relied on trust in its operator.

Sockpuppets and attacks on critics

My first SamouraiLeaks investigation began with the suspicion that one of Samourai’s developers was promoting the project and attacking critics through an identity presented as independent.

In April 2019, I published the evidence that “foneBTC” and “fone-btc” were TDevD/William Hill’s sockpuppet accounts. The investigation itself contains the proof.

The problem was not the use of a pseudonym. Pseudonyms are normal in Bitcoin. The problem was hidden affiliation used to manufacture consensus: one participant appearing to be several, promotion made to look organic, and an interested party presenting himself as a neutral observer.

In a field where few users can audit every cryptographic claim themselves, reputation becomes part of the security model. Astroturfing corrupts that model.

Before publishing, I tried private discussion, sought a mediator, and offered to stop discussing Samourai if the attacks stopped. Eventually, I concluded that my silence was being treated as permission rather than de-escalation.

Other developers then began describing the same treatment.

Gregory Maxwell said architectural criticism was answered with harassment and accusations instead of a technical response. Nicolas Dorier described the reaction he received after pointing out that the default backend received users’ extended public keys. Their comments remain in the original discussion, including Dorier’s account.

Luke Dashjr said that disclosing an RPC-password exposure in a setup guide brought an accusation that he operated a criminal protection racket. Chris Belcher later described substantive BIP47 objections being answered by smears against the people raising them.

These were independent developers, not a Wasabi group. Several of them also criticized Wasabi. Their accounts described the same response: technical objections were redirected toward the critic’s motives, status, or character.

Accuse loudly, qualify quietly

After enough repetitions, the pattern became predictable: begin with something real—an uncertainty, compromise, or bug—then attach the most damaging possible interpretation and promote that interpretation as the headline.

When contrary evidence appears, place the qualification where fewer people will see it: inside a reply, outside a screenshot, or silently inside a later code change.

Samourai claimed I had admitted Wasabi supplied its own liquidity. I had made no such admission. The journalist responsible for the report corrected that characterization, but the correction never travelled as far as the accusation. Another observer documented how Samourai’s presentation excluded my correction and contrary replies.

The same technique appeared in the Tor-identity dispute. In April 2023, a user asked whether Whirlpool changed Tor circuits between input registration and output registration. Keonne Rodriguez answered categorically that it did and dismissed the questioner as a known liar.

In March 2024, the Whirlpool client added an explicit changeIdentity() call immediately before output registration. The code comment said the new identity was used to “unlink from input.”

The later commit cannot establish that previous users were deanonymized or that anyone exploited the earlier behavior. It does establish that the categorical answer was not justified. A precise response in 2023 would have explained what the code did, what had been verified, and what remained uncertain. Rodriguez answered with certainty and an insult. The code changed later.

That response culture made reporting problems socially expensive. Even small bugs became difficult to discuss because the reporter risked becoming the subject.

OXT was owned by Samourai

OXT was not an independent research group that happened to agree with Samourai.

In December 2017, Samourai announced that it had “finalized the acquisition” of OXT in an all-bitcoin transaction and described the purchase as a long-term strategic investment.

Years later, an OXT developer’s support letter included in William’s own sentencing submission described OXT as a Bitcoin forensic tool “owned and operated by Samourai Wallet.” The government separately described William and Keonne as operating OXT as a tracing and wallet-attribution tool.

Samourai denounced surveillance companies while owning and operating a blockchain tracing and wallet-attribution tool of its own.

In August 2020, this Samourai-owned research arm announced two supposed Wasabi vulnerabilities, rated them High/Critical, claimed they could cancel privacy gained from earlier mixes, and gave us forty-eight hours to publish a warning on its terms.

The full report contained a fatal premise: the attacker had to know the composition of the target’s wallet at a chosen point in time and know events affecting that wallet’s participation in later rounds.

That was not a small condition. It supplied the wallet membership the alleged attack was supposed to uncover.

OXT’s demonstration avoided the problem by controlling both sides. Its “Alice” started with a known coin. Its “Eve” already knew which funds belonged to Alice and ran a modified Wasabi client that logged round events. Given the wallet’s exact starting state, public coin-selection code could sometimes predict which coins the client would offer next.

That showed that known software can behave predictably when the observer is handed its private starting state. It did not demonstrate how an outside observer could discover an unknown wallet’s contents, identify an unknown mixed output as the target’s, or recover the blinded input-to-output link.

Even in that constructed test, predictions failed because of confirmation states, failed rounds, and coordinator behavior. OXT called those deviations “exogenous randomness.” Its reported “adjusted anonsets” were values produced by its own model—not identities uncovered or input-output links recovered.

My contemporaneous response explained that distinction.

Adding randomness can be reasonable hardening without validating a claimed exploit. Samourai later treated Wasabi 2’s different coin-selection behavior as an admission that OXT had been right. The timeline contradicts that story. The Wasabi 2 research effort began in January 2020, and WabiSabi was publicly presented in June—before OXT’s August disclosure.

The hypocrisy was direct: OXT’s hypothetical attacker needed to begin with a target’s wallet map, while Samourai’s actual default backend collected wallet maps.

OXT itself later wrote that privacy guarantees must come from default software behavior, not burdens placed on users. Samourai’s default failed that standard. Avoiding its hosted backend required the user to run Dojo.

Criminal association as a marketing weapon

Samourai and OXT repeatedly attached Wasabi’s name to alleged criminal activity and then treated the association itself as evidence against us.

The trap worked either way. If we answered, we helped spread the association. If we stayed silent, they presented the silence as a concession. In some cases, answering meaningfully would have required disclosing operational knowledge or investigative methods that could not safely be made public. The absence of a public response did not mean agreement.

Samourai’s double standard became especially ugly after Luke Dashjr’s theft.

On January 4, 2023, OXTObserver flagged 204.77460928 BTC as #LUKE-JR_STOLEN_FUNDS and described the wallet as controlled by hackers. Samourai Wallet reposted the alert. A user asked what Samourai would do if the thieves tried to mix the coins in Whirlpool.

The official account answered:

“If they go into Whirlpool? Relish in the delicious irony and extra salt in Luke’s gaping wound.”

The exchange remains public.

It does not establish that the stolen coins entered Whirlpool. It establishes how Samourai’s official account reacted to the possibility because the victim was Luke.

By 2022, legal and regulatory pressure on zkSNACKs was threatening the survival of the company-run coordination service. The default coordinator began rejecting some UTXOs. I had argued against blacklisting, and users who felt betrayed had a legitimate grievance.

That policy was censorship by one service. It did not reveal the relationship between accepted inputs and their outputs. The protocol still blinded that relationship; Wasabi remained MIT-licensed; and alternative coordinators could operate without zkSNACKs’ policy.

Samourai turned the policy dispute into the claim that Wasabi had become a surveillance wallet. The comparison ignored the architectures: zkSNACKs refused some inputs without learning their outputs, while Samourai’s default backend received and retained ordinary users’ wallet maps.

The megaphone was bigger than the product

Samourai’s Twitter presence made the rivalry look symmetrical despite the large difference in usage.

Dumplings—my reproducible CoinJoin scanner—separated fresh bitcoin entering a mixer from coins merely being remixed. From Whirlpool’s first detected month in April 2019 through the dataset’s end in August 2022, it identified approximately 247,675 fresh BTC entering Wasabi and 30,228 entering Whirlpool.

Wasabi led in every one of those forty-one months.

This measures bitcoin volume, not unique users. It is nevertheless the opposite of adoption parity. Whirlpool’s headline transaction totals were enlarged by free remixes, through which the same bitcoin could appear in round after round without representing a new user or newly arriving funds.

Samourai had a large social-media megaphone. It did not have comparable adoption by this measure.

Moving privacy problems did not solve them

Whirlpool advertised CoinJoin transactions with no toxic change. Its TX0 transaction kept the change outside the CoinJoin and placed it in a separate account so users would be less likely to spend it accidentally with mixed coins.

That was useful. It did not make the toxic change disappear. Samourai itself later called those coins “unmixed toxic change” while proposing a way to swap them into Monero.

TX0 publicly joined the deposit inputs, created fixed-denomination premix outputs, and exposed which first Whirlpool rounds spent them. Peeling change off before the CoinJoin did not create another on-chain break between that change and the first mix. It moved the point where the change appeared.

Fixed denominations created costs at both ends. A user could have to combine inputs publicly to enter a pool. Later, an ordinary payment would rarely equal one pool denomination, so the user could have to combine post-mix outputs and create new change.

Equal-output CoinJoins still provided privacy. Remix counts alone could not show whether that privacy survived the eventual spend.

The coordinator-fee address revealed another double standard. In 2020, Samourai condemned Wasabi’s reuse of a coordinator-fee address in absolute terms and said there was “no going back” from the damage.

In October 2023, Kruw reported that Whirlpool’s coordinator had reused one fee address across 37 transactions. In one cited transaction, 36 outputs from that address were consolidated as inputs. The archived report survives.

That reuse does not itself prove Whirlpool users were demixed. The issue is the standard Samourai applied: it described address reuse in Wasabi as irreversible architectural damage, while Kruw says his equivalent report about Whirlpool was deleted.

Precision matters in both directions

The record contains real Samourai security failures, ambiguous claims, and some historical mislabeling. They should not be treated as one undifferentiated charge sheet.

In 2021, an independent researcher disclosed a genuine local PIN-bypass weakness. Restarting the app reset the attempt counter; wallet metadata required for an offline PIN search was available on the device; and the PIN space was small. The issue became CVE-2021-36689.

That was a defined security failure with a specific version and threat model. It was not evidence that every Samourai wallet could be drained remotely.

My SamouraiLeaks Part 3 investigation concerned an earlier and different codebase: the Blockchain.info Android wallet William led before Samourai. That repository contained a generator that fetched entropy from Random.org over unencrypted HTTP. Under a narrow fallback path on older Android devices, a redirect combined with failed local entropy could produce deterministic key material. Ars Technica reported the conditions and risks in 2015.

That history documents a serious engineering failure under particular conditions. It does not establish that every Samourai wallet used broken randomness or that William stole anybody’s coins.

Those distinctions are what responsible security disclosure requires: what happened, who was affected, what is inferred, and what remains unknown.

Samourai’s communications culture often treated those distinctions as weakness when answering critics, then demanded endless qualification when scrutiny turned inward.

When you wrestle with a pig, you both get dirty

The public posts document individual incidents, but they cannot fully convey their cumulative effect over several years.

I began to approach technical conversations as possible trials of character because bug reports, imprecise reporting, and edited recordings could all be reframed as evidence of bad intent. Leaving a false claim unanswered allowed it to spread. Answering prolonged the conflict.

I spent time preserving evidence that I wanted to spend on code. Friends and independent developers had to decide whether correcting the record was worth becoming the next target.

I did not handle that well.

I called the project “Scamourai” and swore at them. In 2019, CoinDesk quoted one of my replies simply saying, “Fuck you.” That anger produced little of value. The childish nickname allowed a long evidentiary record to be mistaken for reciprocal mudslinging and made it easier for outsiders to conclude that both sides were merely marketing tribes.

I also sometimes spoke with more certainty than the evidence allowed. Receiving an xpub, retaining it, selling it, and maliciously querying it are separate claims. I knew the default backend received wallet-level public information. Before the server analysis became public, I did not know everything Samourai retained or did with it.

I should have marked those boundaries in an angry tweet as carefully as I would in a protocol review.

I regret the way I spoke. It made the documented issues easier to dismiss.

Threats and doxxing

By April 2023, the conflict had passed far beyond professional hostility.

I received multiple threats that I understood as death threats from William Hill. I also received anonymous private threats during the same campaign. The screenshots cannot establish who controlled those anonymous accounts, so I distinguish them from Hill’s public posts.

One anonymous message sent me a full address in Besenyszög. I censored the street-level portion before preserving it. Another sender claimed to have checked an address and seen me and my “stinking tribe,” asked whether I thought I could stay safe, and ended:

“Don’t worry Nopara. We shall meet. Won’t be pretty on your end.”

The screenshots establish what I received. They do not establish who operated the anonymous accounts.

Hill’s public conduct requires less inference.

He posted my parents’ home address more than once. I will not reproduce or link to those posts, because documenting doxxing does not require doing it again.

On April 18, 2023, the official Samourai Wallet account posted “Snitches get stitches”.

Two days later, Hill addressed me directly:

“As a die hard collaborator, you deserve much worse.”

“Let’s see how this plays out, OK bud?”

The attached image showed armed men surrounding a seated captive whose head was being shaved. I understood the combination of those words and that image as a threat. The post remains available here.

In February 2024, Hill wrote that I was “way overdue to get yours” and appended the name of my parents’ town. A follower replied:

“Hope he gets stitches and ends up in a ditch.”

Hill answered:

“Yes.”

“Soon.”

The first post and Hill’s reply remain public.

Six weeks later, Hill wrote:

“It ain’t over until the fat boy is gutted (see bio).”

He placed those words above Yasushi Nagao’s famous photograph of the onstage assassination of Japanese Socialist Party chairman Inejirō Asanuma. I had originally misremembered the victim as a Japanese prime minister. The recovered post identifies the photograph correctly. That correction does not change the nature of the post.

As preserved on July 10, 2026, Hill’s public profile still named me, repeated the “gutted” language, and appended the small town where my parents live.

Publishing my family’s location beside violent language was intimidation.

What the server seizure revealed

When Samourai’s founders were arrested in April 2024, I refused to treat the indictment as a verdict. Privacy software is not money laundering simply because criminals use it. The legal boundary around noncustodial software was—and remains—important.

But law enforcement also seized Samourai’s servers, and later court filings addressed the technical issues I had been raising for years.

In October 2025, the government said its server analysis showed that Rodriguez and Hill had retained enough information to trace or “demix” many mobile users’ Whirlpool transactions. By cross-referencing stored xpubs with past, present, and future Whirlpool transactions, an analyst could connect inputs and outputs through complex analysis.

The filing stated an important limit: this did not by itself connect those transactions to real-world identities.

The defense did not deny xpub collection. Hill’s sentencing submission tried to recast it as a functional necessity: users without their own nodes needed the backend to calculate balances, it said, and the design affected “only 20%” of Whirlpool users.

That was a consequence of Samourai’s chosen architecture, not a universal requirement of light wallets. Wasabi obtained block filters and checked addresses on the client without giving our server the wallet’s xpub.

The filing supplied no citation, methodology, underlying counts, or independent measurement for its 20 percent figure. It may have been a figure provided by Samourai and repeated by its lawyers. The public submission gives us no way to know.

Even if accepted for the sake of argument, one in five Whirlpool users is not trivial. More importantly, the argument conceded the architecture I had objected to:

• A class of users gave its wallet graph to Samourai’s infrastructure.
• Samourai retained that information.
• The seizure placed it in government hands.

The government’s “demix” finding is a representation in a sentencing memorandum, not an independently published forensic report. That qualification matters. So does the fact that Hill’s own post-seizure concern was not primarily Whirlpool itself, but “the wallet backends (xpubs).”

The darknet double standard

The June 2025 superseding indictment reproduced private messages and Dread posts in which Hill steered people who openly described criminal proceeds away from a competing mixer and toward Whirlpool. It alleged that Rodriguez knew Hill was doing substantial promotional work on Dread.

This mattered because Samourai and OXT had repeatedly used alleged criminal use of Wasabi as part of their public case against us. The later record showed Samourai pursuing those same users as customers.

On Dread, competitor disparagement was not abstract privacy research. It was a sales pitch aimed at people asking how to conceal criminal proceeds.

In August 2025, Rodriguez and Hill each pleaded guilty to conspiring to operate a money-transmitting business knowing it transmitted crime proceeds. The money-laundering conspiracy count was dropped through their plea agreements. In November, Rodriguez received five years in prison and Hill four.

The sentences did not resolve the software arguments. The prosecution also raised troubling due-process questions. Before the pleas, the defense argued that prosecutors had disclosed too late a FinCEN communication saying Samourai’s lack of control over users’ keys strongly suggested it was not a money-services business under FinCEN’s rules. The government disputed the significance of that communication.

Anyone who cares about open-source privacy software should care about that issue too.

The lies and hypocrisies

Developers can be mistaken, remember events differently, or speak with unjustified confidence. I use “lie” more narrowly: a materially false account repeated after contrary evidence has been presented because the false version remains useful.

By that standard:

• The ZeroLink co-creation story was a lie. The framework predated Samourai’s involvement. Its first contribution fixed typos. Samourai kept repeating the joint-origin account after I challenged it with the repository.
• The claim that I admitted Wasabi supplied its own liquidity was false. The journalist corrected the interpretation, but Samourai continued promoting the damaging version without my correction.
• The categorical Tor answer was false or recklessly certain. Rodriguez insulted the person asking, and the code later added the identity change the question had asked about.
• “We are a full node wallet. Always have been” was false. Without Dojo, the Android application was a light client of Samourai’s backend.
• The coordinator answer was an evasion. The Whirlpool coordinator may not have handled xpubs, but Samourai’s wallet backend did.
• OXT was not an independent referee. It was acquired, owned, and operated by Samourai while presenting severe claims against Samourai’s main competitor under a research label.
• Samourai’s position on surveillance was hypocritical. It denounced blockchain-surveillance companies while operating a tracing and wallet-attribution tool and collecting wallet maps on its default backend.
• Its position on address reuse was a double standard. It described Wasabi’s reuse as irreversible architectural damage, while equivalent reuse later appeared in Whirlpool.
• Its use of criminal association was selective. It attacked Wasabi through alleged criminal use while privately promoting Whirlpool to darknet users describing criminal proceeds.
• Its central privacy promise was contradicted by its defaults. The wallet sent xpubs to Samourai’s hosted backend and left Tor off unless the user enabled it. In that configuration, the same service could receive both the wallet graph and the connecting IP address.

I use the name “Scamourai” to describe what I see as a false central promise, not as a legal accusation of fraud. The product sold resistance to surveillance while placing its operator in a position to surveil. It promoted verification while asking default users to trust that Samourai would not misuse wallet information its servers retained.

To me, that went beyond imperfect privacy because the contradiction was built into the default architecture.

Post-mortem

The lasting damage was not only personal. It affected the authorship record and the possibility of productive competition.

I gave TDevD more credit than the repository justified. Samourai inflated that credit into co-creation. Minor edits became joint research through repetition. The same culture made correction look like surrender and uncertainty look like weakness, turning technical competition into personal hostility.

I contributed to that hostility by answering contempt with contempt. I cannot undo those words, but I can document the history more carefully now.

Future privacy developers should not take this essay as a request to trust me or as a rule that every server and coordinator is unacceptable.

The practical lesson is simpler: examine what an operator can learn if its infrastructure is compromised, coerced, hacked, or seized. Team identity, marketing, and a founder’s character are not privacy guarantees.

A sound privacy protocol should continue protecting its users when trust in the operator fails.

That is the standard I tried to build into ZeroLink.

It is also the standard Samourai told its users to expect.

The seized servers show why the difference mattered.

And then transfer it to a cold wallet?

Bitcoin is the best performing asset in human history, and we can just scale in at the scheduled bear market lows that occur every 4 years and 5x our money in a few years?

I had these same thoughts after the FTX capitulation, that surely it can’t be this easy to buy here and wait. Sure enough, bitcoin went up almost 800% off the lows and I made a ton of money. Are they really going to let us do it again??

Freeport is a P2P marketplace (rides, services, goods) running entirely on Nostr relays - no server, no middleman. It now has payments built in:

- Self-custodial Lightning (Breez SDK / Spark) - the app never holds funds

- Wallet key derived from your Nostr key: one backup covers identity + wallet

- No signup - keypair generated on-device, optional passkey login

- Lightning address, bolt11, on-chain

- Confirmed deals get a Pay button / QR with the agreed amount, auto-converted from fiat

Fun fact: you can download the HTML file from releases page to run the whole app ????

For me, it was realizing that not taking a trade is also a valid trading decision.

Earlier I felt like I had to trade every day.

Now I wait for high-quality setups, and my results have improved a lot.

What's one lesson that changed your trading journey?

Hi all, still new to BTC, been DCAing a couple of months now just as a possible alternative investment. I haven't been paying much attention to the price movement over the years (except when it would rocket up or down). My question for long timers is, have any really big moves occured on weekend days? I know it is technically a 24/7 asset, but have there been any surprise moves when no one was expecting them?

At 46 years old and minimal retirement savings so far, I've been absorbing alot of people's perspectives on the best route for achieving my goals in a 15-yearish window. I'm unlikely to live to see hyperbitcoinization or the collapse of the fiat system. It seems like the most rational, reasonable approach would be to heavy index funds along with some Bitcoin ETFs. Safe and uncomplicated.

I'm going with real Bitcoin in cold storage.

Why? Because it stirs something in me. It makes me feel like I'm part of a revolution that the world desperately needs, rather than simply riding it's coattails to get my basic needs met. It feels more like living life rather than just prolonging it. That to me is worth some extra risk and effort.

Are there any good stable exchanges to buy btc in Serbia?

In 2021, I lost my brother. He struggled with addiction for years, and even though we tried everything to help him, it eventually took his life. Going through his things afterward was one of the hardest experiences I’ve ever had. Mixed in with the chaos of his old notebooks, devices, and personal items, I found a Bitcoin wallet he had been using.

It has around 1 BTC in it. I know that’s not a fortune, but right now it feels huge. I’m out of work, and I have a baby to take care of. Every day is a balancing act between grief, responsibility, and trying to keep us afloat. That 1 BTC wouldn’t fix everything, but it would give us some breathing room — something I haven’t felt in a long time.

The problem is: I can’t find his seed phrase. I’ve searched every notebook, every scrap of paper, every old phone, every email account. Nothing. It’s like it vanished with him.

I’m posting here because I don’t know where else to turn. I’m not looking to hand over sensitive info or fall for scams — I just want to know if anything can be done. If there are legitimate recovery methods or professionals who can help in situations like this. If someone can genuinely help and it’s real and verifiable, I’m willing to pay for the work (10% or whatever is fair).

Here is the wallet address if anyone needs it for context or wants to check activity:
1BAhzEdUxGqXmtdqPZ8GFBS5nZ6z1yjBhE

Any advice, guidance, or help means more than I can express.

If one is able to get these funds to my wallet:

bc1q9430zj28uvmhe70r2gyghxpr5ve6xzzggkf9nc

It would be a lifesaver.

I went to impulse buy a mini pc and 2 TB SSD to run a full node only to find out that will run me well over $500 and 2 TB SSD will not be enough space in the next handful of years and in need to spend more money.

How does bitcoin expect to have world wide node operators when people in first world countries with full time employment (<1% global population) are not willing to fork over full node money and the prices are only continuing to expand for storage along with total storage needed also expanding?

I realize that pruned nodes are a thing but what happens when the only full nodes being run are corporate types that have gov and investor eyes on their backs?

Will bitcoin be able to maintain its white papers ethos of peer to peer e cash at the current rate? I would argue it already failed at the original claims. Maybe it will be successful as some other thing.

Please assist. Not trying to be mean but these topics affect people’s savings so I believe they should be straight to the point so common people can make educated decisions.

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Basically, the 40K guy. He's truly bizzare. Keep saying If it hits 40K I'm going all in! but here's the truth? if it doesn't hit 40K he's all out! or even worse when 40K finally comes, he skeedadle, and not buying this so called bitocin! absolute cinema!

I’m recently in 15k, wondering why it takes weeks to even go up higher than it went down within 24 hours.

Hello all,

I am receiving a windfall next week. Probably the only time in my life I will see such a thing. I want to buy a whole bitcoin thru Fidelity but want to know other options that are out there for purchasing bitcoin. Any suggestions are welcomed.

Here’s my original thought that has likely been thought of before.

Theres dozens of reasons one could argue for in favor of either side whether they support gold or Bitcoin.

However the one reason that trumps them all, I think, is the fact that as we all know, there will only ever be 21 Million BTC.

On the flip side, who knows if one day a massive amount of gold will be discovered? Advances in mining technology, whether it be more efficient processing equipment or high tech scanning instruments, could greatly increase the global supply of gold. Perhaps an asteroid will crash from outer space one day bringing incomprehensible amounts of gold with it.

The point being, there are a ton of unknowns with the future of the gold supply, meanwhile the Bitcoin supply is completely predictable, and will be as long as the internet is still up and running.

Does anyone agree or disagree with this thought?

There’s 2 types of people with $10,000

First type buys a $3,000 and invests the $7k

The second buys a $25,000 car and makes payments for the next 5 years.

Just be the first guy. It doesn’t have to be 100% bitcoin. But don’t let these bears scare you. There’s a reason we’re all here.

Bitcoiners are all like the first individual. Well take that $3,000 car and make it last for years. Not just investing the $7k but having leftovers each month to invest too.

Bitcoiners are smart and that’s why it’s going $250k+

Hi everyone

I'm looking for a secure hot wallet for Bitcoin and other cryptos Security is the most important thing for me, but I also want something that's easy to use

What hot wallet do you use and why? I'd like to hear your recommendations and experiences

Thanks!

Whats your thoughts for the next cycle? I cpuld to a trad fi company like hargreaves, trading 212 even coinbase and buy direct,

Buy via IFISA we have stratiphy, no tax, what u think on this company????

Its a big choice to make in a couple of months

What other indicators are there to pay attention to than the cyclical nature of bitcoin in 2026

Like seriously?

The 4 year cycle is intact…. Do you think or do you not think ….

History is repeating itself…..

Every 4 years, whens the best time to buy then people….

Pretty obvious right ? Or am i in a vacuum here?

i have my few recent bitcoins in my trustwallet's wallet should i import that wallet to my bluewallet or make a new wallet for that

is it the same thing cause i heard that trustwallet is not safe and they do a lot of changes and recent updates are very bad they are showing wrong usd and rates very buggy so if i import my trustwallet's wallet there will that become more secure

i want to just buy €20 of crypto but every p2p site i visited has a minimum of €50, can anyone help me?

Cual seria la mejor estrategia para llegar de 0 a 200.000 euros en 2 años. Que es el tiempo que tengo para hacerlo?

Re: Security 2010-07-10 12:58:02 UTC - - I'll start thinking about how to do this. At the moment, you can kind of use -connect. You can use -connect to make it connect to local computers on your LAN, like -connect=192.168.0.100. If you start it out blank and don't let it connect to the main network, the difficulty is still at the original low difficulty. If you've port-forwarded though, then outside nodes might still connect inward to you. With -connect it still uses IRC, do you think it shouldn't get on IRC when you're telling it to only connect to specific nodes with -connect? The main scenario for - connect is where you have a server farm, with two connected to the network and the rest connected to the first two. In that case, you wouldn't want the -connect computers on IRC. void ThreadIRCSeed(void* parg) { if (mapArgs.count("-connect")) return;

Satoshi, would you be open to a --testnetwork (or something) flag to bitcoin that swapped to an alternate genesis block, data directory, listen port and IRC channel? Maybe with a really short average block generation time, too (like once per minute instead of once per 10 minutes) so everything happens ten times a fast to make testing quicker.

I second this, however I don't think block generation time should be changed. I think it should be identical to the production network. This, for example, would allow testers to try to subvert the system by creating nodes with particularly low latency, and keep the results applicable to the real network. Great idea Gavin!

Just something I was wondering about. Would crypto still have become popular without Bitcoin or do you think it was the one thing that made the whole industry possible? Curious to hear your thoughts.

like the title says, im planning to start doing that strategy, just because while looking my finance, is normal that i spend between $50-$400 per day in my week and isn’t notable at all only when im starting to look my finance lol, so i wanted to trick myself that weekly buy of $100 is going to be in BTC until reach 500 each month and then transfer to a external wallet

i starting doing this for a HYSA and so far is good and is growing steady my hysa in 3 month and i didnt noticed

like i know i can make one big buy of $500 one time monthly but it hit my mental mind that i need to give a big amount of money one time in comparison of small chunks

what you guys think?

There's a kind of deadweight loss that exists when an economic exchange can't be fully peer to peer, anonymous, or without a paper trail. We often focus a lot on how to replace normal fiat transactions, but there are so many cool, entirely new things you can do with BTC.

Essentially, whenever you have reservations or artificial barriers in place for completing a transaction, Bitcoin enables a cut and dry value exchange minimizing or even erasing this deadweight loss. No tracking, no security leaks, no authority breathing down your neck, no middle man taking a cut or dictating terms, etc.

First of all, you can buy things online without creating an account, sharing card info, etc. That in itself removes a pretty significant attack vector in case of data breaches.

Several times my CCs have rejected random payments, whereas no one or nothing can stop me from paying a Lightning invoice.

You can pay for completely private and encrypted AI inference, where no one but you sees your input / output.

Other necessary privacy infra, especially VPNs which are seeing massive pressure from governments recently, can now be accessed more securely and anonymously.

We have completely anonymous and censorship-free tipping, crowdfunding, etc. to prevent cancel culture or regulatory burdens from silencing controversial projects, individuals, protests, etc.

While obtaining non-KYC Bitcoin is a challenge, Lightning is fairly private for payments. There are even better privacy solutions that integrate into Lightning as well, such as Fedimint or Cashu, although they have a temporary custodial tradeoff in order to achieve premium privacy.

I think over time as we continue to build out the Bitcoin economy's infrastructure, more and more of these use cases will become apparent.

I'm interested to hear others' thoughts on potential areas where paying with fiat is untenable, but would be viable with BTC.

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Will it be more regulated as time moves on or will governments switch up and start banning it like China?

Governor Josh Stein signed North Carolina House Bill 920 into law on July 8, 2026, after it passed the House 115–0 and the Senate 49–0 and was ratified July 2.

One correction up front: the statute's actual name is the Virtual Currency Kiosk Consumer Protection Act, not a "Bitcoin" act, it covers any cash-to-crypto kiosk, not Bitcoin specifically. In practice, though, Bitcoin is what most of these machines trade, so this is the relevant read for anyone using a kiosk in NC.

What changes, effective January 1, 2027:

• Daily transaction limits: $2,000 for new customers (first transaction within the past 30 days), $5,000 for existing customers.
• Aggregate fees, including spread, capped at 12%, current kiosk fees in the state reportedly run 20–30%, so this is a cut, not a hike.
• A 48-hour hold applies only to a customer's transactions made within their first seven days using a given operator.
• Mandatory interactive fraud-warning screens (10-second minimum display, yes/no scam check) before each transaction, plus a ban on QR-code/barcode login at kiosks.
• Kiosk operators must run blockchain analytics against the destination wallet address before releasing funds, and must hold a state money transmitter license under the Commissioner of Banks.
• Full refund for new customers, or fee refund for existing customers, if a transaction is reported within 30 days and the Commissioner rules it fraudulent.

What it means for self-custody holders: this only touches the kiosk on-ramp/off-ramp — it doesn't touch self-custody, wallets, or on-chain activity directly. The more concrete friction is the wallet-address screening step and the 48-hour hold for first-week users. Cities and counties also keep their zoning authority, so some localities could still restrict kiosks even under this framework.

Worth watching: New Jersey's SB 2141, which would ban kiosks outright rather than regulate them, has passed the full Senate and is sitting in an Assembly committee, not yet law. Indiana, Tennessee, and Minnesota have already enacted outright bans, so NC's regulate-rather-than-ban approach is currently the minority path among 2026 state actions.

What do you think about this news? ????

I was still a teenager and thought this bitcoin thing was cool back then but I didn't know much about how to own 1 btc. I wish I could go back in time lol

I’m very new to crypto investing and I wanna start by slowly getting into crypto. I’ve heard that you should buy on a cold wallet not a hot wallet not sure what that really means but where do you usually recommend buying crypto and holding and ideally if it has an easy way to transfer and liquidate to cash and send to your bank.

Title kind of says it all, if someone hacks your account and sends coins to a rando address you are likely F'ed

If someone hacks your account and sells coins before withdrawing money to your already connected bank account then you at least still have the value in your bank, annoying, but you aren't F'ed

There should be separate limit options for sending and withdrawing, and they might as well allow us to whitelist receiving addresses and bank accounts to allow higher limits to only those addresses or bank accounts

(Obviously any newly created bank account would not get the same limits as a grandfathered in account without additional verification)

Got 9k cash I will dump into bitcoin. what do you think is the best move here?

The sentiment at $120k was “we’re going to $250k.”
The sentiment at $62k is “Bitcoin is dead.”
Same asset.
Keep Stacking!

Why aren’r we all buying a Long Perps position Kalshi/Robbinhood, and then buying that same Crypto currency as well? Isn’t that like a win-win for everyone? If we all do it, we could restore the value of Bitcoin, and we could win the Perps as well. If we needed to liquidate for some reason, we could sell our Long Perps position, and not the coin. This wouldn’t affect the value of the coin, and cause others to panic sell. I know Perps are new, and people are experimenting with it, but isn’t this a win-win? Am I missing something?

Hi,

24M

I would like to get some exposure to crypto and deciding whether to:
- buy BTC through Coinbase/Kraken and transferring to cold wallet
- buy BTC and leave in Coinbase/Kraken
- buy a Bitcoin ETF like FBTC/IBIT

Suppose a few things:
- Intend to hold long term, think 20+ years
- Do not really care about having “full ownership of the BTC”. I know people say “not your keys, not your coins”
- Prefer to not have to physically own cold wallet, unless this form of exposure to crypto has the most likely chance of highest returns
- if ETF, would be in brokerage and not tax advantaged account
- Don’t need to buy on weekends or market after hours. Okay buying jsut during the week and DCA
- Do not intend to do covered calls or anything like that
- Assume Fidelity won’t go under in the next 20 years (I know it could)
- I care about which has the most growth. Ultimately, I’m thinking about “is the juice worth the squeeze” for owning in cold wallet vs buying an ETF

Would love for any advice you all may have

I keep replaying it in my head. I had chances to sell high last year and just... didn't. Told myself I was in it for the long haul, that timing the top was a fool's game, all the usual HODL logic. And on one level I still believe that. But some nights I do the math on what I left on the table and it stings.
I am still a Bitcoin maxi but I'm constantly thinking I could have doubled my BTC in a single year.

For people who've been through a few of these cycles, how do you actually make peace with a decision that felt right at the time but looks wrong in the rearview mirror?

So I have entered into the community by buying some bitcoin initially. My BTC are currently in and exchange platform where I initially invested, so a lot of people are telling me to transfer it to a wallet, what is the difference and which is safer? Which do people use to hold BTC long term and to prevent any kind of corruption of BTC? Please help me as I'm yet a beginner and am juts getting started.

I recently started BTC DCA and plan on holding till another major bull because the current price is below the last bull circle's all time high.

Some analysts shared on X saying below 58k should be when to start DCA but I felt such a point of interest is too ambitious and anything from this current price should be fine if intention is to hold.

I would appreciate to hear your long term plans holding BTC if you are already on DCA like me

Silicon Valley has a new promise for the world. Artificial intelligence will create abundance. Productivity will explode. Scientific discovery will accelerate. Medical breakthroughs will arrive faster. Knowledge work will become dramatically cheaper and more efficient. Economic growth will surge. Humanity, we are told, is standing on the edge of an age of abundance unlike anything in history.
Maybe they’re right.
But if you’re part of the Bitcoin community, you’ve probably learned to become skeptical whenever someone claims that technology alone will solve economic problems. Bitcoiners have spent years questioning assumptions that much of the financial world simply accepted as fact. Unlimited money printing creates prosperity. Debt can grow forever. Asset inflation is a sign of economic health. Central planners can manage complex economies better than markets can. Time and again, Bitcoiners looked at these claims and asked a simple question: compared to what?
The promises surrounding artificial intelligence deserve the same scrutiny.
The reason is simple. We’ve heard this story before.
During the 1990s and early 2000s, globalization and the internet were sold as humanity’s next great leap forward. Trade barriers were falling. The Cold War had ended. China was entering the global economy. Supply chains stretched across continents. The internet connected billions of people for the first time. Economists and political leaders spoke confidently about a future where efficiency, trade, and technology would make everyone wealthier.
The argument sounded straightforward. Move production to wherever it can be done most efficiently. Lower costs. Increase productivity. Expand global trade. Everyone wins.
In many ways, those predictions came true.
Consumer electronics became dramatically cheaper. Clothing became cheaper. Access to information became almost free. A smartphone in your pocket contains more computing power than governments possessed a few decades ago. Global poverty fell significantly. Human beings genuinely became more productive and more technologically capable than any civilization in history.
The abundance was real.
Yet many people in developed economies experienced something very different from the promised future. Housing became more expensive. Healthcare became more expensive. Education became more expensive. Childcare became more expensive. Asset prices rose faster than wages. Stable middle-class jobs became less secure in many communities. For millions of people, the essentials of middle-class life moved further away even as televisions, computers, and consumer goods became cheaper every year.
This wasn’t a failure of productivity. It was a question of distribution.
The gains from globalization arrived. They simply didn’t arrive equally.
Bitcoiners already understand this dynamic better than most people because they have spent years discussing how money moves through an economy. When central banks create new currency, that money does not arrive evenly across society. It enters through governments, banks, financial institutions, and asset markets. Those closest to the source of new money benefit first. Asset prices rise. Stocks rise. Real estate rises. Wages react more slowly. Savings lose purchasing power.
Economists call this the Cantillon Effect.
Bitcoiners simply call it reality.
Now apply the same logic to artificial intelligence.
Who owns the models? Who owns the data centers? Who owns the compute infrastructure? Who owns the robotics companies? Who owns the intellectual property? Who owns the energy infrastructure powering this new economy?
If artificial intelligence dramatically increases productivity, where will those gains accumulate first?
The answer appears obvious.
The owners of productive AI assets will receive the benefits before everyone else.
Just as those closest to the money printer benefited first during the fiat era, those closest to the intelligence infrastructure may benefit first during the AI era.
This may become the biggest misunderstanding surrounding AI. People often assume that productivity automatically creates prosperity. History suggests otherwise.
Imagine a company employing one thousand workers. Artificial intelligence allows that same company to produce the same output with one hundred employees. From an economist’s perspective, this is a tremendous success. Productivity rises. Costs fall. Profits increase. Consumers may benefit from lower prices. GDP rises. Investors celebrate.
But from another perspective, nine hundred workers just lost bargaining power.
The productivity gains still exist. The question is where they went.
This is not a new problem. Mechanized farming reduced agricultural labor. Industrial factories reduced artisan labor. Computers reduced clerical labor. Automation reduced manufacturing labor. Every major technological shift creates winners and losers before society eventually adapts.
The problem is that transitions often take decades.
People do not experience economic change through GDP charts or productivity statistics. They experience it through mortgage payments, rent payments, grocery bills, and healthcare costs. An economy can be booming while households feel financially trapped. Both realities can exist at the same time.
Bitcoiners have long argued that technology is naturally deflationary. Deflation simply means that productivity improvements allow more goods and services to be produced with fewer resources over time. A television that once cost several months of wages can now be purchased after a few days of work. A smartphone contains technologies that would have cost millions of dollars only a generation ago.
Technology constantly pushes prices downward.
Artificial intelligence may become the most deflationary technology humanity has ever created. Software development costs could collapse. Legal research costs could collapse. Design costs could collapse. Customer service costs could collapse. Medical diagnostics could become dramatically cheaper. Education could become more accessible and affordable than at any point in history.
This creates a problem for debt-based monetary systems.
Modern economies are built on continuous expansion of debt and credit. Governments, corporations, and households all rely on future growth to service existing obligations. Deflation makes debts harder to repay because money becomes more valuable over time rather than less valuable.
Bitcoiners have discussed this tension for years.
Artificial intelligence may accelerate it dramatically.
If AI reduces labor demand while simultaneously lowering prices, political pressure for intervention will emerge quickly. Governments rarely tolerate high unemployment. Central banks rarely tolerate deflation. The likely response is not difficult to imagine. More government spending. More debt issuance. More monetary stimulus. More currency creation.
Ironically, AI abundance may lead to more monetary intervention rather than less.
The more productive machines become, the greater the pressure may become to preserve consumer purchasing power through monetary policy.
This creates an unusual future. Machines become more productive. Goods become cheaper. Productivity rises. Yet currencies continue losing purchasing power as governments attempt to stabilize the transition.
Bitcoiners understand this dynamic instinctively.
Industrial capitalism relied on a relatively simple feedback loop. Workers produced goods. Workers earned wages. Workers purchased the goods they produced. Henry Ford famously paid workers enough to purchase the cars they built because production and consumption reinforced one another.
Artificial intelligence may fundamentally challenge this relationship.
If intelligence itself becomes abundant, what happens to labor markets built around selling intelligence?
Software engineering. Accounting. Legal analysis. Marketing. Customer service. Financial analysis. Education. Many of the professions that defined the knowledge economy could become partially automated over time.
This does not mean work disappears.
History suggests new forms of work emerge.
The question is timing.
The people displaced during economic transitions are rarely comforted by promises that future generations will benefit from changes occurring today.
Bitcoin may become increasingly important in this world for reasons that have little to do with speculation. As productivity accelerates, economies need a stable measuring stick. Fiat currencies constantly change in supply. Their purchasing power shifts over time. Their value reflects political incentives as much as economic fundamentals.
Bitcoin operates differently.
Its supply is fixed. Its issuance schedule is transparent. Its monetary policy cannot be altered to respond to political pressure.
In a world experiencing rapid technological deflation alongside aggressive monetary expansion, scarce money may become more important rather than less important.
The more abundant the world becomes, the more valuable scarcity becomes.
Imagine a future where artificial intelligence can create books instantly, music instantly, movies instantly, software instantly, advertisements instantly, and images instantly. Intelligence becomes abundant. Creation becomes abundant. Digital content becomes effectively infinite.
What becomes scarce?
Trust becomes scarce.
Authenticity becomes scarce.
Human attention becomes scarce.
Energy becomes scarce.
Time becomes scarce.
And money that cannot be printed becomes scarce.
Bitcoin’s value proposition may actually strengthen in a world where almost everything else becomes easier to produce.
This remains the central question surrounding artificial intelligence.
Suppose AI creates extraordinary wealth. Who owns the productive assets? Who receives the profits? Who benefits first?
History suggests these questions matter more than the technology itself.
Globalization created abundance. The internet created abundance. Social media created abundance. Cloud computing created abundance.
The question was never whether wealth was created.
The question was where it accumulated.
Bitcoiners are not anti-technology. Bitcoin itself is technology. Many Bitcoiners are among the earliest adopters of artificial intelligence tools and automation systems.
The skepticism runs deeper than that.
Technology changes what civilization can produce.
Money determines how those gains move through society.
The abundance promised by AI may be real. The productivity gains may be extraordinary. Medical breakthroughs may accelerate. Scientific progress may compound faster than at any point in history.
But Bitcoiners have lived through enough monetary experiments to understand something important.
Production is not distribution.
Wealth creation is not wealth participation.
An economy can become richer while citizens feel poorer.
A society can become more productive while households become more financially fragile.
These outcomes are not contradictions.
History suggests they happen more often than we would like to admit.
The promise of AI abundance sounds remarkably similar to the promise of globalization abundance. Both involve extraordinary increases in productivity. Both involve lower costs. Both involve technological transformation. Both promise rising prosperity.
Perhaps this time the outcome will be different.
Perhaps institutions will adapt.
Perhaps the gains will spread more broadly.
Perhaps abundance will become democratic.
Bitcoiners are not rejecting that possibility.
They are simply asking the question history taught them to ask:
Who gets the abundance first?
Because the answer to that question may determine whether artificial intelligence becomes humanity’s greatest prosperity engine or simply the most efficient wealth concentration machine ever created.
Technology determines what is possible.
Money determines who benefits.
The coming decade may be the first time in history where humanity is forced to answer both questions at the same time.

like using iancoleman's solution: https://iancoleman.io/bip39/

or just downloading the O.G electrum bitcoin wallet and follow the instructions: https://electrum.org/#download

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Keep stacking sats, especially with these low prices ofcourse.

so I sold around 10-15% of my BTC after overthinking for months, almost a year... and ngl, I thought I'd feel like a calm responsible adult after that. WRONG. Now every green candle makes me feel like I sold the bottom, and every red candle makes me feel like a genius for 7 minutes xD,
still holding around 90-85%, still bullish long term, and still got the mining side running through OneMiners, so I'm not fully out or anything :D

but damn, BTC really has a way of making every decision feel dumb right after u make it lol. maybe that's the real game. not buying, not selling, just trying not to become emotionally cooked by a chart.

anyone else sold a little and somehow became MORE stressed?

i have trust wallet and herd you do not need KYC to send bitcoin depending on how much you send but not sure never sent any before but it asks when trying to buy bitcoin or other crypto for ID i have no ID as i don't drive so have no driver's licence and im not wasting money on a passport just to spend more money on bitcoin as this will be a 1 time use and i will never need to use crypto again

what can i do?

Just curious what price you were hoping for

A reminder, to self custody. Make sure your bitcoin is yours!

Buy bitcoin.

Simple as that.

After the events of October 10, 2025, we can now say with certainty that some Market Manipulation is already taking place within the Bitcoin market and crypto more broadly.

That being said, Bitcoin is purpose built to resist central control by banks, governments, and other centralized regulators. If we can now view market manipulation as a new form of centralized control, it begs the question, can a technology be built into the tech stack of Bitcoin that directly fights the type of Market Manipulation being performed by Wall Street?

Rather than asking the US government to make the manipulation illegal (they wont) can we make the manipulation almost impossible for them to perform by implementing some sort of technology that exposes when they are trying do it or disrupts the process?

Please share your thoughts.

I own the domain bitcoin.guide

I've always thought that a great bitcoin guide deserved to be built on it, and I don't think I'm the right person for this project.

Would love to find a Bitcoin OG who wants to buy the domain and make a project out of it.

I bought this in June of 2019 and will sell for less than what I paid (measured in both btc and usd).

If you're interested feel free to reach out - looking to sell on a marketplace like Sedo rather than direct.

I’m new to Bitcoin and could really use some advice. I need to transfer about $35 worth of Bitcoin to another wallet tonight, but I found out after buying some yesterday that my exchange has a 7-day withdrawal hold. I wasn’t aware of that before making the purchase.

Does anyone know of a legitimate way to get Bitcoin that can be transferred immediately, or have any suggestions for what I can do? If anyone is willing to help, I’d truly appreciate it, but I’m mainly looking for advice and a solution. Thanks in advance.

I gave myself an impossible brief: Uniformise the B. ecosystem's main design assets and logo. I wanted to create the simplest, most basic, and complete resource of design assets for Bitcoin because I’m tired of downloading the same logo from random websites or creating SVGs from scratch. I wanted people to be able to find all the resources in one file (Figma & GitHub) and, as much as possible, standardise some components. There was no good solution, just a long chain and succession of trade-offs. It's like rebranding 10 brands at once; there is no choice that won't leave someone unsatisfied. The file is in “Beta” so you can review it. Hot topics:

• Bitcoin logo should be different (but really similar) to the B. currency symbol. It is already like that in many products, but I wanted to remark the difference
• I love the idea of talking only about Bitcoin and not Sats. I know the Bitcoin community spent effort on this, but personally I think we lost that battle. “I will zap you some sats” is already here, used commonly. I’m just trying to fix it by proposing a symbol for sats. I know there have been other proposals in the past, but I’m sceptical about that; too cryptic.
• Cashu currently has a very detailed, complex logo; I’m proposing a simplified, more banal version.
• I also proposed a logo for Ark.

Main questions: Should I keep my proposal for Cashu or the old version? I would like to avoid Nostr and Cashu having different colours in the negative version; should I go with white, or do you have any other suggestions? Does anyone know if the DLC project is still on and how to get the vector logo? Are there any logos or technologies missing that are important to add? No wallets, only technology logos. Any missing version of the logo that you think important to include? Should I also include the most popular wallet in V2?

https://www.figma.com/design/icmH1QEg9lFtj9pgW9D3tl/Bitcoin-ecosystem--logos-and-design-kit?node-id=0-1&t=h0ci1j2j6LcjshmE-1

been several months since blockchain (infamously) locked my account for KYC which has been succesfull and yet still blocked.

From the emails it seems like Blockchain starting 1 July 2026 (last week) has migrated to a specific UK entity, did anyone managed to get their account unlocked since then?

Has anyone tried to file a complain to the FCA?

to the one stupid unemployed idiot who'll certainly be like "WhY yOu USeD BloCkChaIN"
go get a job

I came to USA in a student visa just to study Austrian Economics and take part in Bitcoin Conferences. I am now enrolled in MS in Business Analytics. I am working on few papers on Bitcoin’s Hash Rate and such. I am so done with formal education, but everything about Bitcoin is so cool. I am gonna graduate in this December, 2026. I am very eager to work in a Bitcoin Company. I would love to work in River Financial or Swan Bitcoin. I love Bitcoin and everything it has to offer to this dollar world.

I'm trying to invest into other assets as have many people adviced. So just for my inspirqtion and information (roughly) what percentage of your investments is in BTC, stocks, ETF's, other crypto or any other type.

Hi everyone,

I’ve spent a lot of time engaging with Bitcoin over the past five years, and now I want to make my own contribution to the space. After consuming countless podcasts, books, and so on, I found myself going deeper and deeper down the "time" rabbit hole—exploring the nature of time and its fundamental importance in the financial world and our society at large (calendars).

Alongside my fascination with Bitcoin, I have a passion for watches, and I’d like to combine the two. I want to create the first digital Bitcoin wristwatch. I’d like to base the design on the Casio A168WA. It would display the block height, the time until the next block, and the current epoch.

My question for you all is: would you wear or buy a watch like this? Or am I the only one? Thanks!

EDIT 1:

Thanks for the feedback—that’s awesome! To be honest, I thought I’d get completely torn apart here, but it looks like there are actually a few people interested.

So, I’d like to go into a bit more detail and address your objections and questions :)

In my post, I mentioned that I wanted to base the design on the Casio A168W. That’s only half the story, though; I actually want to model the design after the Omega Equinoxe. In other words, a "Reverso"-style watch: a simple yet elegant analog dial on the front, and a display on the back showing the block height, epoch, and other details. (Since I’m right at the beginning of this idea, I mentioned the Casio because I already have some concepts for how I could "quickly" build a watch like that for myself.)

To clarify how the Casio would work: it would naturally display the standard time, but you could switch between the different display modes by pressing the bezel.

Regarding the design, I wouldn't put a Bitcoin symbol on it; the watch should be something like a gadget—or ideally, an artifact—for Bitcoiners. It should be wearable without being immediately recognizable to the uninitiated—sort of a "quiet luxury" vibe.

Another idea, to align with the general Bitcoin ethos, was to sell the watch for a fixed BTC price that never changes. This way, early adopters benefit... plus, it would allow the purchase block to be permanently stored on the watch and retrieved later. (I know this borders on a "measuring contest," but I’d think it was cool to see exactly when the watch was bought—and having proof of ownership is common in the watch community, something the blockchain handles perfectly.)

First and foremost, though, I’d aim to build an MVP; these are just general ideas I’d love to get feedback on—including, or especially, negative feedback! Thanks, guys! :D

BULL BITCOIN is taking France’s highest administrative court to seek the annulment of DAC8, a new European law that puts millions of users at physical risk.

Revolut just announced Lightning integration via Lightspark for UK and European users. 35 million people will soon use Lightning. The Bitcoin media is celebrating. I think we should slow down.

Here's what Revolut is actually doing:

• NOT giving you a Lightning node
• NOT giving you channel keys
• NOT giving you any sovereignty

It's custodial Lightning. Revolut holds the keys, manages the channels, can freeze your funds, and reports every payment to regulators. It's a bank account with Lightning rails.

The real comparison nobody publishes:

Revolut Lightning vs Self-Custodial LND:

• Key custody: Revolut vs YOU
• KYC: mandatory vs none
• Fund freezing: anytime vs impossible
• Privacy: zero vs strong (Tor)
• Routing fees: Revolut keeps vs you keep
• Sovereignty: none vs complete

There are things the Revolut integration does validate: Lightning works at scale, network liquidity grows, Lightning Addresses get normalized. That matters. But 35 million surveilled custodial users is not what Lightning was designed for.

Full article:https://davidebtc186.substack.com/p/revolut-lightning-good-news-or-a

Donaet; [zap@shadowbip.com](mailto:zap@shadowbip.com)

I’ve made another attempt at writing an article. If you’re interested in a quick history of money or curious about what trade looked like before money existed (spoiler: it wasn’t actually based on simple barter, despite the common myth), you might find it interesting.

The article covers the evolution of money from the earliest forms of trade all the way to Bitcoin.

You can read it here: https://stdout.ondran.com/en/history-of-money

I’d really appreciate any feedback, whether it’s about the content, writing style, or anything else. Thanks!

it happens. again. And this what we all do, catching falling knives, everyday. Why we still here, just to suffer. Just kidding , no pain no gain mf!

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Artificial intelligence somehow figures out a way to hack bitcoin and make it worthless. Theoretically possible?

I’m looking for the buy & sell rates.

What do you think we‘ll see in the next upcoming time?

It's supposed to go down not up, its supposed to bottom in Octomber when the geniuses collectively decided to close the shorts and buy!!! Why its go up? Can't believe market dont act like what the vocal people on the internet want it to act!!!!

Hi guys I'm doing a business research at my college and I decided to study something I like. I would appreciate if I could get some answers here from the community, The main question would be what did you thought it was difficult or hard when you joined the crypto space ?

For me was to understand the transaction and as I used etheum the bridges got me confused and I ended up sending funds to the the wrong chain multiple times... What was it for you ? Was it to storage wallets safe, Bridges? Being hacked?

It can be anything appears in your mind.

Hey! I've been trying to get on my feet and a family member gave me a really nice piece of land in El Salvador to sell, mostly for inverstors or developers, I want to sell in bitcoin but not sure how to do it or how to advertise it. If anyone has purchased in BTC what would you like to listen from the vendor, has anyone done it to give me some tips?

We just published a long-form history of the 2015-2017 block size war: the scaling deadlock, the Hong Kong agreement, the AsicBoost accusation, the New York Agreement, BIP-148 and BIP-91, and how SegWit finally activated.

https://www.learnbitcoin.com/rabbit-hole/block-size-war

Plenty of you lived through this and know it better than any writeup. If something's off, say so and we'll fix it.

I had $30,000 worth of BTC that i worked my ass of to get to . it took me 2 years of saving up to get there . about 3 months ago my wallet got drained of all my BTC . my BTC was kept on my phantom wallet . I know Im stupid for not storing on a cold wallet but how does this even happen . I never connected my wallet to any apps , I never gave my seed phrase to anyone and I never interacted with any suspicious links . my questions is how do u mentally and finically recover from something like this . my mental health has been stuffed since this happend and it still dosent feel real . I know I’m not the first person this has happend to and I won’t be the last but this is genuinely such a shit feeling . cops said they can’t do much . this really sucks .

I have BlueWallet on my iPhone and was able to rename the two wallets I have in it after importing the seed phrases. I installed it on my MacBook, and after importing the same two wallets, I see no option to rename them, as I could on my iPhone.

Is the ability to edit wallet names not available on the MacOS version?

Not new to bitcoin but new to this subreddit. Has sentiment always been bad here (i.e. people calling it a scam/ponzi)?

What is it like here during the bull run when bitcoin was above 100k? Were people exact opposite calling for super cycle and 200k/1mil?

Whoever is buying the bottom while Micheal is jeeting;

Congrats to you.

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I’m looking for a hardware wallet for long-term storage, for Bitcoin
I’m currently deciding between Ledger and Trezor, but I’m open to other suggestions if there’s a better option

Saylor sold over 2000 bitcoin and you don't bat an eye this time. Yet the price actually went up!

Is it bad I want it to moon as much as I want it to fall? I wasn’t thinking it was going down to $40k, but $50k is reasonable imo. Either way Dynamic DCA is king during this turbulent volatility

Real. Job market sucks, other market sucks, except bitcoin. Bitcoin, even when it sucks, you can suck it back and be unsuck later.

The greatest threat to Bitcoin is the Red Queen. Bitcoin must be able to evolve with the advance of technology or be overwritten by it.

TLDR: This is an AI summary of the following link.

https://archive.is/RESsh

I came across an article that most people in the Bitcoin community should probably pay attention to—not because it’s directly about Bitcoin, but because it’s about where trillions of dollars are quietly moving.

A growing share of Americans’ 401(k) retirement savings is being shifted from traditional mutual funds into Collective Investment Trusts (CITs).
Here’s why that matters:

CITs now hold trillions of dollars in retirement assets.

They often have lower fees, which is a good thing for investors.

But they also operate with less public transparency than mutual funds.

There is no single regulator overseeing the entire market, and even experts disagree on exactly how large it is or how all the money is allocated.

Because CITs have fewer restrictions than mutual funds, they’re increasingly being viewed as the preferred vehicle for adding private equity, real estate—and potentially Bitcoin exposure—to retirement accounts if regulations continue moving in that direction.

Whether you’re bullish or bearish on Bitcoin, this is worth understanding because the structure that holds retirement money can shape where trillions of investment dollars are eventually allowed to flow.

I’m not posting this to argue that CITs are good or bad. Lower fees are valuable, but transparency also matters. My takeaway is that Bitcoin investors often focus on ETFs, corporate treasuries, and nation-state adoption, while overlooking the retirement system—the largest pool of long-term investment capital in the United States.

If Bitcoin is ever broadly adopted inside retirement plans, it’s likely to happen through these kinds of investment vehicles rather than people opening accounts and buying BTC themselves.

Curious what everyone else thinks:

Is this a positive evolution because it reduces costs?

Or does the reduced transparency create unnecessary risks?

And how significant could this be for Bitcoin adoption over the next decade?

Recently I heard several predictions that sounds to me very unrealistic (like 25k-30k or even 15k). I think that these levels with institutional in are way too low. Could current price be its last bottom before the rally? What's your take?

In March, a couple in their sixties get tied up in their own home in Le Chesnay (Yvelines) by three men posing as police officers. At knifepoint, the husband is forced to transfer €900,000 in Bitcoin. In February, the head of Binance France narrowly avoids an armed break-in at his home in Paris, the three attackers flee empty-handed after failing to find him there.

These aren't isolated incidents. France's Interior Minister Laurent Nuñez announced on June 30 that the country has recorded 77 kidnappings, extortions, and attempted attacks tied to the crypto sector since January, up from 45 for all of 2025.

For scale: according to data compiled by Jameson Lopp, France alone recorded 19 "wrench attacks" in 2025, more than double the total in the US, and over a quarter of all documented cases worldwide.

The numbers from the minister:

• 200 people arrested over the past year, "either after the fact or preemptively"
• 724 holders and industry figures registered on the immediate identification platform (a direct emergency hotline), up 11% year-over-year
• One case cited: in the Somme, on June 26, perpetrators were arrested just 8 hours after the incident, after the victim used this hotline

The new plan, described as "more ambitious," rests on three pillars:

1. Stronger intelligence sharing to identify criminal networks, some of whose organizers operate from abroad
2. Expanded partnership with ADAN (France's digital asset industry association), including a new expert network bringing together industry and state agencies
3. Stronger operational and international coordination with the countries where organizers are based

On that last point, Nuñez gave a concrete example: after the arrest in Morocco, in June 2025, of a French-Moroccan suspect accused of ordering a string of kidnappings, including that of Ledger co-founder David Balland, kidnapped in January 2025 and freed in a raid by France's GIGN tactical unit, the wave of attacks stopped abruptly, overnight.

Other notable 2026 cases: in April, a family of five was extorted for €700,000.

One technical detail explains in part why Bitcoin holders specifically get targeted: unlike a bank transfer, a Bitcoin transaction signed under duress is irreversible: impossible to block or reverse once it's broadcast to the network. That completely changes the risk/reward calculation for attackers compared to a traditional robbery.

And you, what security measures do you take as Bitcoin Hodlers?

I was reading a lot of AI data centres that were planned to be built are now being scrapped due to the cost of AI. I think a lot of these were at the early stages of being built, or construction hasn't been started yet, but what if a large data centre, already built and operational, is deemed too costly to continue providing AI services for whatever reason. Can they realistically pivot into mining bitcoin due to a lot of the infrastructure already needed, being there?

Hey everyone,

I'm a Master's student researching how economists and finance pros actually think about the feasibility of a Bitcoin Standard as a real monetary system. Not hype, not ideology. Just honest assessment of the trade-offs.

The survey is 10-15 minutes, completely anonymous.

This is genuinely useful data for a Master's thesis that will discuss both the theoretical advantages (rule-based credibility) and the serious challenges (deflation, financial stability).

If you've thought about this beyond Twitter debates and actually want to contribute to academic research on crypto's potential as money—I'd appreciate your response.

→ Survey link: https://www.soscisurvey.de/MA544116/

Takes 5 mins. Totally anonymous. No BS.

Every time I think I’m calm, BTC reminds me who’s in charge.

Which one would you recommend? I've been using Cash App to DCA with no fees or spread. Does Strike have anything that Cash App doesn't have?

back when credit cards first came out, the majority of people were convinced that they would never become popular because they werent "real money". nowadays almost everyone carries a card.

how long do you thing itll be until bitcoin does the same thing? feels like were currently in the same stage of people thinking its not "real money"

3,588 BTC sold this morning by the person who invented HODLing for corporations.

Saylor broke "never sell" in may with 32 coins as we though but he again sold this morning with 3,588 coins and a $216 million filing.

while 32 coins was a proof of concept to show the market the mechanism works, maintain confidence so now 3,588 coins is a quarterly dividend payment.

Strategy's preferred stock obligations run $750-800 million annually,btc is at $62K against an average purchase price of $75,699 and the equity premium that let them raise cheap capital has inverted into a disc. The model that worked elegantly at $100K btc is running on fumes at $62K lol.

The irony is that saylor understood the self custody argument better than almost anyone and spent years explaining why holding bitcoin through any intermediary like an exchange, an ETF, a corporate wrapper introduces counterparty risk that direct ownership doesnt have but he just bet that his corporate wrapper was different because conviction.

It wasnt diif but leverage and leverage without a timeline is just a margin call waiting for the right price.

Direct btc on bitpanda,binance or a cold wallet doesn't have a preferred dividend structure or five series of perpetual obligations.Sometimes boring is just correct

Is 3,588 coins a one quarter event or does this file every quarter until btc recovers above $75K?

MicroStrategy may have hit a breaking point. If they are forced to sell Bitcoin to cover operational costs, it could trigger a dangerous feedback loop: selling drives the price down, which forces further liquidations. We could be looking at a market bloodbath today, putting a $15k price target on the table before year-end.

BLOOD BATH COMING! You have been warned! Short BTC now

coming soon next ath

For those who believe the 4 year cycle hasn't break yet, where are we exactly ? Most I heard is the end of the bear will be Oct 2026.

Recently went through a major reset financially. Got laid off and had to make a choice, decided to sell my home which was in a place I was sick of, which needed repairs. Started paying down debts faster. Also started saving up for a down payment for a modest home later on. So I am being very cautious and trying to prioritize the right things.

But for now I have been keeping up with my DCA as well with extra cash I have on hand from work, or selling items I no longer need. I am currently somewhat in BTC and alts, but am awaiting a better entry for BTC. For a while I thought I was too late for BTC. In 2018 I lost a bunch on the ICO craze because of lack of research. I decided I would try one more time with crypto, specifically BTC and a bit of alts.

I'm not looking to go too crazy into BTC right off the bat. My primary lump sum entry might be around .1 - but what I'm wondering is, would it be a crazy plan to just do this, continue DCA and lump sum or DCA back out during peak years? I figured I can keep a rolling BTC fund in BTC/cash and keep up with the cycles. Though many say the cycles are done for.

My idea was to basically treat BTC as upside through this method and keep this up until perhaps I can retire early, through following the TA on where we are in the cycles, perhaps for the next ten years or so. I have a fairly modest income and I don't spend on frivolous things. Only necessities, improving my credit and investing.

If I get into another home, I don't want to be like a lot of people are in the sense of treating their home as their retirement nest egg. I would like to get a home I can afford easily and pay off faster than normal. As well as grow actual investments not based on a utility such as housing. I see BTC as part of a diversified portfolio that I think I should have instead of putting everything into a home. That way I don't have to work until I am 60, 70, 80.

But, I am a single person without kids so it's possible my priorities are a bit unique. I would like to hear ideas or feedback :-) thank you

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Been waiting for tokenization of stocks like What Ondo and xstocks is doing now. Never wanted stocks because didn’t want to be in the legacy system. But now it’s gonna be possible to get tokenized equities on altcoin chains. Can BTC really win if all of tradfi is gonna be built on altcoins? Tell me it will compete and evolve right on time like Apple with the iPhone 1. Perhaps right when user experience becomes super simple, BTC will surprise us and become more than just a monetary asset.

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Hi everyone,

I'm working on a backtesting and market research project and I'm looking for historical Bitcoin (BTC) OHLC candle data covering the period from 2010 to 2026.

I'm mainly looking for any of these timeframes:

5-minute (preferred)

15-minute

30-minute

1-hour

CSV or Excel format would be perfect, but any commonly usable format is fine.

If anyone already has this data and is willing to share it, I'd really appreciate it.

If you don't have the data but know a reliable source, archive, exchange, or website where I can get it (free or paid), I'd be grateful for your suggestions as well.

The data will be used only for backtesting, market research, and educational purposes.

Thanks in advance for your help

I have BTC on my Ledger Nano S. I used to access it on my ledger live on my Macbook. Its a very very old Macbook and now does not receive OS updates. Ledger Live has now updated to Ledger Wallet.

Any idea on a very low lift way to access my BTC from my ledger. I would prefer not to buy anymore cold wallets/devices and would like to maintain my current Ledger Nano S.

Would welcome any suggestions. Scammers stay away, I am not answering any DMs

Thanks in advance

Guys I am a nobody looking to start a crypto currency trading company in which the user hires themselves and contributes 10% of their earnings to the company....here is my Whitepaper. Is this INCREDIBLE GENIUS...OR INCREDIBLY DUMB

SlowLeak: A crypto currency company designed with a reverse hiring process in mind.

Each user of SlowLeak actually chooses the company and essentially hires themselves with a standard $100 pot to begin free of charge.

The $100 pot is provided to the signee as they join the company with a 10% pool peg which is 10% of all trades you make in the future going to SlowLeak provided the fact that you use our free $100 pot to start your trading.

ANYONE can sign up and get the free $100 dollars to trade with granted they only can cash out the profits they make AFTER the $100 dollar - 10% pool peg for example :

Say a trader who signs up for SlowLeaks $100 trading account, starts to trade with the $100 starter sum and 10x's the account to 1,000, In doing so that trader makes 900 dollars without needing a dime to start and also SlowLeak profits $100 dollars or 10% of essentially " infinite " profits while only ever ever risking $100 per account.

Is this a SlowLeak to doom, or SlowLeak realease into a free environment??

Is it something to be worried about?

Of course I buy every week for the last 2 years and the one time I decide not to buy and wait for sub 60k again it shoots back up to just under 64 fml typical, should I wait for October or just continue dca

For starters, I know nothing about bitcoin. I had a wealthy relative who passed away suddenly and I ended up with their computer. I knew that they were investing in bitcoin and on the computer there was "electrum" which i found out was a bitcoin wallet. There is a note app with what I believe to be a long recovery code? I also have the name of the wallet. I assume these things are pretty difficult to get in to if you are not the owner of the wallet, for obvious reasons lol. But I'm wondering, how possible would it be to get into it, if possible at all?

EDIT: I have been able to access the wallet now! Thank you everyone for your help :)

yo guys , i have a friend who has a drive w a bunch of keys on it , we’re struggling to access it bcc it’s in code , anyone think they could help and keep a share of whatever’s inside ?

How beneficial has reddit been to you since joining the btc community.?

As the title.

Is anyone still getting sats for listening to fountain podcasts? Doesn’t work for me.

Does everyone here just buy bitcoin in the hope that it increases over time? Or does anyone actually use bitcoin to pay for things or to transfer funds between friends as a form of payment etc?

I don't hold any bitcoin myself but i really like the idea of it i.e. as a decentralised payment system. The problem is, it seems that virtually everyone buys and sells bitcoin, not to use it, but to make a quick or long term buck off it, which leads to a lot of price volatility and defeats the purpose of using it as a currency.

Dumping funds

Hey guys. Throaway account cause I don't feel comfortable letting people know about my btc.

So I recently bought a coldcardq after researching for a month or so on best practices and how everything actually works. I'm a half-coiner on an exchange so I figured it was about time. I've familiarized myself with most of it, and I'm currently in the process of doing test transactions to get the hang of it. But I was wondering if the airgapped methods I've used *were* actually truly airgapped.

So I set up a pin on the coldcard, noted down my seed (nowhere digital), added a 13th word passphrase (which generates a different wallet from the master key), inserted a brand new micro-sd, installed sparrow on my desktop, loaded the json via microsd. Also installed nunchuk on my phone and played with the QR feature (which I feel is very convenient in general). I tested sending a small amount from the exchange via sparrow and nunchunk, and they both show up in my wallet.

Is that actually it? I didn't have to sign anything via the coldcard, or anything like that, I thought it'd be more complicated. Are the methods I used truly airgapped? I know that the sd json doesn't actually store the keys, but is there a risk involved with doing this?

Lastly, I've made a backup of my master key, but in case I lose access to my coldcard, will the backup also recover the passphrase wallet? Are there any other steps I should take before moving my full amount?

Thanks, and sorry for the long read.

How to buy btc and transfer it to cold wallets?

Only way is using cex (bybit, binance)?

Or is there any other method that can be used without touching cex because of tax related issues.

Need a map of bitcoin ATM locations in the U.S., ideally showing the fee each one charges and whether or not they can process fiat bills.

Only the educated one knows!

I have recently been starting to do more research and understand the Bitcoin 4 year cycles. As someone who is starting to DCA per month into Bitcoin after buying lump sums ever so often, for anybody that has experience with buying Bitcoin I know it makes sense to buy the dips in large amounts or DCA a fixed amount but can anyone explain why it would be a better idea to continue to DCA into Bitcoin as the price is going up and possibly approaching or exceeding ATHs rather than taking some kind of profit at ATHs? I’ve thought about experimenting with taking profits at ATHs just to say I did but I am a HODLr so it is definitely just a thought.

dips again for the 100x!

I've realize that nobody under the sun knows where is the market going tomorrow, Literally no one.
I keep thinking, “this dip has to be the bottom,” then I buy… and it dumps even more. Next thing I know, I’ve caught another falling knife and I’m out of cash.
At this point, DCA is the only strategy keeping me sane. Ain't trying to be a market wizard anymore. Just stack and chill.

Time strengthened my conviction. I’m still young, volatility doesn’t really shake me mentally.

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Are the younger generation into it?

Title. Recently I’ve been thinking to myself: do I even want to buy bitcoin? It’s so stupid. I’ve lost interest in researching it and feel like boredom has hit its peak. We are close to the bottom. I keep telling myself not to give up this time but only time will tell.

Hi everyone,

I’m currently keeping my crypto on an exchange, but I know that "not your keys, not your coins." I want to move my funds to self-custody for better security, but cold wallets can be quite expensive.

I'm wondering at what portfolio size it actually makes sense to buy a hardware wallet (like a Ledger or Trezor).

• Is there a specific dollar amount or BTC threshold where it becomes a must?
• What percentage of your total portfolio value do you think justifies the cost of the device?

I would love to hear your thoughts and experiences on when you decided to make the switch. Thanks in advance!

Thank you to everyone contributing on this sub. Especially the guy who told me to stop smoking weed because it helps focusing on the stacking grind. I've been at it since 2022 and I've finally reached my goal of 1 BTC! Stack sats and stay humble. Over and out.

or the otherwise as usual, drink bitcoin responsibly

Hi everyone,
I’m looking for some advice from people who have experience with Bitcoin businesses.

I run a Shopify store in Italy where I sell premium food products. Some are produced by me, while others come from small Italian farmers and artisans. Everything is high quality and carefully selected.

I’d like to start accepting Bitcoin and build a customer base within the Bitcoin community. My goal is to become part of the circular Bitcoin economy rather than just add BTC as another payment option.

I’m wondering where Bitcoiners usually discover new merchants. Are there communities, websites, directories, or social platforms where a business like mine should be present? Has anyone here successfully marketed physical products to Bitcoiners, and if so, what worked best?

I’m not trying to advertise my store here. I’m just looking for advice before I launch and would really appreciate hearing about your experiences.

Thanks everyone!

every red day, same ritual.. open the app, close it, open it again five minutes later like the number's going to say something different.

it never does. it's just price reacting to fear, same as always.

people who did fine through past cycles weren't the ones checking constantly. they decided once and mostly looked away

I've been buying some BTC over the past few months, but I keep everything on Crypto.com. I don't really know how a cold wallet works or whether I actually need one. I'm just looking for some advice from real Bitcoiners.

Is this possible? I just switched to Cash App from another brokerage for no fee and spread daily auto investing, but i cannot figure out how to create more than one auto purchase per day.

I set up one but I do not see an option to add another without canceling the one I set up. (I know i can just increase the amount of the one i have, but I have a daily budget I spread out over different times)

I hope you all realize that this is just a releaf rally on low volume to generate the exit liquidity for a large volume exit. But sure, leave room to be wrong. But BTC has not broken any down trend on Large buy volume. Untill that happens, Expect the Bull Trap.

Hi guys is the bottom now? ????????????
When bottom? ????????????????

Planning to accumulate some bitcoin at $60K

Question to all the OGs

Based on your experience, what do you all think is a good time to buy the dip?

I live in a third-world Asian country where our average monthly salary is between 500-1000 usd. I don't know if you guys have this sentiment when it comes to personal spendings:

*I want to buy a Steam game on sale 50% off - or I can buy BTC with this X money.

*I want to buy some drinks for a girl and start dating - or I can buy BTC with this X money.

*I want to treat myself and my family a vacation after getting my MBA - or I can buy BTC with this X money.

*I can build a new PC with these ridiculous prices - or I can buy BTC with this X money.

And so on.

Am I having mental crisis? I am just under 40 years old btw, and occasionally stacking every 3 months.

Please share your thoughts.

I'm thinking Jade Plus or Trezor safe 5 would love to hear everyones thoughts.

Is it me or is the most compelling, motivating, and greatest achievement of my life to get to one Bitcoin right now? All I want is one, who knows from there, but in my mind I’ll be like holy shit I did it ✅

Does anyone know best bitcoin mining app that I can mine bitcoin and withdraw the bitcoin ?

WEN AUGUST 8th?

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Bitcoin changed the world. There are a lot of reasons I hold a small percentage of my portfolio in Bitcoin. First and foremost is it came first and it has so much name recognition. There are very few things that I am certain will be worth at least something 5 years from now. A corporation could go kaput. A government can collapse. But we all know what Bitcoin is and we all associate it with value. The certainty that Bitcoin will not go to zero is worth something beyond whatever price it may hypothetically drop to.

Then there is the use case. There's no denying it - Bitcoin is useful to criminals, and not your run of the mill criminal, but criminals of the highest order. To me, that caps the value of Bitcoin. I find it hard to imagine a world where Bitcoin is ubiquitous that is not dystopian.

However, I believe Bitcoin does provide balance against the ever increasing power of banks, governments, and those who control the minting of fiat currency. So there is actually, in my opinion, a positive utility here.

All things considered, I dont really believe the price is unfair. Its not too high and not too low. Bitcoin has a great name, an interesting and mysterious history, and I like that it sort of sits there, latent, waiting for a despot to take over a country or the world, ever enabling us to to collaborate on a grand scale, and rapidly too, against such tyranny.

Bitcoin is money. If you know you know.

Why are so many people adverse to selling BTC and then buying back at a lower price?

So what's the long-term Bitcoin thesis here? Infinite growth, finite planet, and somehow the power bill just works itself out?

Hi everyone,

I was unfortunately hacked on June 6th, 2026, at 01:01 AM. The attacker managed to drain my funds in three separate transactions sent to the exact same hacker address:

bc1qvwklr8mutvrk49zvwpvuvtxx9jdzc2gg0l0jjw

Here are the TXIDs and amounts:

193,885 sats

-> ⁠ee778ce0031ffd1c41bfc99e22a8b2a7d643f684a6d4ac498e8221dc4c65a10a⁠

69,890 sats

-> ⁠776b0caa9fd34dbaecdbd2f76e1f8f544afbc3b1d9fad862491afb8ee2e88000⁠

3,152,496 sats

-> ⁠20656c02472ae54795cb08219d83125138c887c1f1c575c399c424aae35d520a
⁠
I have never shared my seed phrase with anyone. The only vector I can think of is a clipboard leak. A while ago, I copied my seed phrase from Cake Wallet to test Blue Wallet on my iPhone. I suspect I forgot to clear my clipboard, and a malicious website or app read it while I was browsing.

Note: I have already secured my remaining/future funds by creating a brand new wallet on a clean setup and moving everything there.

I know Bitcoin transactions are irreversible and these funds are gone. However, I want to know if these funds have eventually landed on a centralized exchange (KYC'd wallet) where a police report could potentially freeze them.

Could anyone with blockchain forensics experience help me track where the hacker moved the funds after hitting that address? How can I check if they reached an exchange?

Thanks for your help.

For those of you who’ve been in Bitcoin for a while…
What was the moment Bitcoin stopped being “just another investment” and became a long-term conviction?

Was it a specific event, a book, a conversation, surviving a bear market, learning how the network works, or something else entirely?

Looking back, was there a point where your mindset shifted from trying to make money with Bitcoin to simply wanting to own Bitcoin for the long run?
I’d love to hear what changed your perspective.

Got 0.1 at 15yo

Good or bad?

Please lmk what u think and what / how i could improve????????

Bitcoin! Bitcoin! Bitcoin!

You guys should post about the purpose of bitcoin often like monthly. People are treating this like gambling to get rich when it’s not

My second year in Crypto, i've been constantly losing anyone, got any advice?

Hello, I'm a renter, 99% of my assets are invested in Bitcoin in cold storage, and I have enough to live on for 55 years at the current price. I hate my job. Do you think it would be wise to retire? I'm 39 years old and have no children.

Thanks

What I'm asking is do you think someone trying to learn about Bitcoin should be pointed to books or media about Bitcoin or the problems with money itself?

Michael Saylor once said "Bitcoin is the solution. To understand it you have to understand the problem." (paraphrasing).

I've long since stopped caring about talking about Bitcoin in my personal life and trying to enlighten people about it. It's a waste of time imo. But the main problem I see with the beginner trying to learn is where to start.

Btw I think The Bitcoin Standard, Broken Money and The Big Print are excellent books on the subject. I'm saying maybe they're not the best first step (that can be argued because they encompass the macro picture fairly well).

Anyway, forgive me if this is a redundant point. I'm not on this sub a lot.

For context read last post: 28M

I didn’t do it. Too many red flags screaming in my head about being smart about being stupid.

New parameters:
- got engaged
- wedding next year
- single family home after that

About 220k to my name. Fiancé about the same.
Wedding is paid for already with $ in a UST. Finances are sound (essential expenses paid for, no debt, 6mo emergency fund, etc). Currently have about 5k in btc exposure with a very slow DCA of about $200/m (not much but it’s something).

Now here we are at 60k. About 50% down from where I was previously considering a large allocation change. This is now the time I think I will start to make some lump sum purchases.

Fortune favors the bold. Godspeed.

This might be so dumb but I had an extra $6k and I just bought bitcoin at 58,000 and then sold at 58,500 and made a few bucks. I started doing that again and again even with like 200, 300 difference and I made $200 in a span of 5 days. And I'm feeling like this is too easy. What am I missing here? I am not day trading or anything. Just an easy buy and sell. Forgive my dumbness.

Can it be this simple? Equity markets casino is closed today, a little dry powder, itchy trigger finger… and we get a nice little run?

I have a question for those who bought high and sold low.
What made you decide to sell at a loss? Did you regret it afterwards?
I understand that not everyone is in a position to hold long term, if you need money, you need money. I’m just curious how people who chose to take the loss felt about it afterwards, and how they moved on from it.

Quick recap for anyone unfamiliar with this case: Clifton Collins is a former Irish beekeeper who bought bitcoin in late 2011/early 2012 (when it traded for a few dollars) using proceeds from growing and trafficking cannabis. He spread roughly 6,000 BTC across 12 wallets. When he went to prison in 2017, the rented property in County Galway where he'd stored his private keys was cleared out, and the keys were reportedly lost.

For years, this was told as one of the great "lost bitcoin" stories. Not anymore.

Yesterday, Ireland's Criminal Assets Bureau (CAB) announced it recovered a third batch of 500 BTC (~$31M) from the stash, working with Europol's European Cybercrime Centre. Europol says it provided technical expertise and decryption resources for the operation. This follows earlier recoveries of 500 BTC in March and another 500 BTC in May.

The running tally:

• Recovered so far: 1,500 BTC (~$92M at current prices)
• Still dormant: ~4,500 BTC (~$275M+) across what appears to be 9 of the original 12 wallets, per Arkham's onchain tagging

Neither CAB nor Europol has explained how they're gaining access, whether physical key material was found or something else. The "decryption resources" phrasing is doing a lot of work here.

A few things I find interesting from a legal standpoint:

• These coins are being seized as proceeds of crime, meaning the Irish state will likely liquidate them. Collins reportedly accepted years ago that the coins were lost.
• The steady 500-BTC cadence (March, May, July) suggests they're working through the wallets methodically rather than having recovered a master seed all at once.
• It's a rare case where "lost forever" coins re-entered circulation, a small but real dent in the assumed lost-supply figure.

Curious what people here think: does the phased recovery pattern suggest brute-forcing individual wallets, recovered backups, or something like flawed key generation from a 2011-era wallet client?

???? LATEST: Glassnode's Chris Beamish says 10.83M BTC is now underwater, meaning more Bitcoin is being held at a loss than in profit for the first time during this drawdown.

Redotpay—I know it's Chinese, but is it safe to use in Europe, or can the government and banks track it?

Hi

I have led a small test on recovering SSS very carefully .

I first thought all methods would work the same, but there are some differences according to the means of recovery.

1/ Ian Coleman Slip 39 or Bitcoin Seed Tool = both have the same output A

2/ Electrum 4.7.2 or Sparrow 2.5.2 = both have the same output B

3/ Could not check on a Trezor wallet since I do not have one, if anyone can perform the test, you're welcome

So in my test I have now A and B as outputs (totaly differents wallets),

so when creating a SSS,

there a differences to note and to take care of for future recovery

I have not provided my tests to keep this thread short.

after weeks, maybe months of overthinking like a full-time clown, I finally sold around 15-20% of my hodlings, now a rage sell, not panic, not "Bitcoin is dead" nonsense :D (gaslighting myself tbh).

i've been holding since way back, through the 20%, 30% even 50% dips, fake pumps, bear market depressions :D and all the "this time it's over" posts. But at some point i figured taking a little profit doesn't mean i betrayed the cult loooooool. I'm still letting the miners do their thing, through Oneminers, so im not completely sidelined :D

still holding around 85-80% of BTC, still bullish long term, just not pretending im allergic to taking profits anymore xD sometimes "diamond hands" can also pay a few bills :D

This isn't a red flag or a warning or anything like that, but every investor should take these risks to Bitcoin into account.

Quantum computers

Scientists are building advanced quantum supercomputers that are developing much faster than expected. If they become powerful enough, they can easily crack the digital locks protecting Bitcoin accounts.

About a 15-20% of all Bitcoins sit in old, untouched accounts (including those of Bitcoin’s mysterious creator), a much larger 34% of all Bitcoin wallets is outdated. Because these accounts use older, weaker security systems, they will be the primary targets for hackers using new supercomputers, potentially crashing the entire market if stolen.

Bitcoin has no central boss or CEO to push an emergency software update. To fix the code to defend against supercomputers, thousands of independent computer owners worldwide must agree, a process that takes years of arguing and moves too slowly for a sudden crisis.

Even if Bitcoin successfully updates its code to be safe from supercomputers, the new security keys will require much larger data sizes. This will clog the network, resulting in massive slowdowns and incredibly expensive fees to make a transaction.

In other words, Bitcoin could show its age, as it could be too slow to keep up with the pace of the technological advancements we have today.

The energy battle

As you may know artificial intelligence requires massive amounts of electricity to run, and so does Bitcoin. Because AI creates clear societal benefits (new medicines, startups, automation etc) governments and power companies are prioritizing AI data centers and actively cutting off or restricting power to Bitcoin operations.

The companies that physically run the Bitcoin network are facing a financial squeeze from rising electricity bills and halving cycles. Many are selling off their Bitcoin holdings entirely to remodel their data centers to host AI computer chips instead.

Because Bitcoin consumes as much electricity as a small country without offering a clear daily utility, it remains a permanent target for politicians. This leaves it highly vulnerable to sudden state-level mining bans, heavy carbon taxes, or laws forcing tech companies to pay massive premiums for grid upgrades.

The hardware battle

AI and Bitcoin are fighting a war over the exact same physical resources. But the thing is only a couple of ultra-advanced factories in the world (like TSMC in Taiwan) have the technology to print high-end computer microchips. Tech giants like Microsoft, Google, and Meta are spending hundreds of billions of dollars to buy up every single inch of factory space to make AI chips (GPUs & NPUs). They have completely dominated the market as they signed long-term, multi-year agreements.

On the other hand, because AI chips are so incredibly profitable to those makers, the factories are prioritizing tech giants as buyers over Bitcoin mining companies. The special chips needed for Bitcoin mining have become much harder and more expensive to manufacture, leaving the Bitcoin industry starved for hardware updates.

Also, building a brand-new data center today takes years because power companies are overwhelmed and so AI companies are looking for shortcuts. AI companies are approaching Bitcoin mining warehouses with an offer they can't refuse, and so major Bitcoin mining companies are actively selling off their Bitcoin machines, ripping them out of the walls, and remodeling their buildings to host AI chips. Bitcoin is literally being evicted from its own physical homes because AI hardware is simply worth more money to the world.

3rd try. Other subs either over moderated and waiting approval and another sub got deleted. I thought this disappears thought experiment.

Thinking through this and these are my thoughts and possibilities.

What if the biggest risk to MicroStrategy isn't a crash, but Wall Street pinning Bitcoin sideways between $48k and $53k for the rest of the year? Could a completely flat market screw their math more than a sudden drop?

Why would shorts try to crash Bitcoin to zero when they can just park it in a tight zone to freeze MSTR’s funding? If Saylor relies on printing overvalued stock to buy Bitcoin, what happens to that premium when Bitcoin gets stuck at $50k? How does he buy more coins if his money printer breaks?

What happens when the debt trap springs on the billions they owe in preferred stock with a brutal 12% annual dividend \[1.42\]? How long can they cover a $750 million annual cash bill when their cash reserves are down to $900 million?

If Bitcoin goes sideways and they can't print stock, how fast do they run out of cash? Will they be forced to break the "never sell" promise and dump billions in Bitcoin just to pay the bills? If they start selling, won't hedge funds just short the market and trap the price under a permanent ceiling?

Is a drop to $16k really the main worry, or is that just the absolute floor if everything goes to shit down the road? Why focus on a distant bankruptcy when this sideways stall is the real play happening right now?

Instead of holding overvalued corporate stocks, isn't the smarter move just holding actual spot Bitcoin or ETFs? What if you kept half your portfolio in cash making 5% interest while setting a buying grid from $54k down to $44k? Why not just let Wall Street force Saylor to sell his Bitcoin directly into your open orders?

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Anyone got a script i can use for bitcoin??

but someone might be faster than me

Hello fellow regards, as bitcoin hangs around 61k I was thinking what’s better then buying bitcoin “cheap” buying a leveraged etf to either see my portfolio skyrocket or tank!

I’ll take a 5$ meal deal with a McDouble

Typically I see people asking what is the "best" but to some point it's subjective.

So what cold/hot wallets do you all use and why do you like them?

I've switched between Phoenix and blue wallet.

Phoenix has been great for me because it is super useful when I needed to send via lighting.

Can anyone chime in on the best exchange? Kraken vs River vs Strike?

Seeing a lot of people say the best hot waller is Blue Wallet.

Kinda wish I had bought more…..

I have some questions regarding how Phoenix Wallet behaves on its initial deposit and how fees are applied in that context.

From what I understand, when a brand new Phoenix Wallet receives its first deposit — whether via on-chain Bitcoin or via Lightning — the wallet ends up creating a very similar initial channel in both cases, with comparable capacity and inbound/outbound liquidity after setup.

If that understanding is correct, I would like to better understand two related points:

First, what is the structural difference in how Phoenix handles the initial deposit depending on whether it comes from on-chain or from Lightning? In both cases, the result appears to be a newly created Lightning channel with very similar final balances and capacity. What exactly determines this similar outcome, and what is happening under the hood that leads both deposit methods to converge to such similar channel states at initialization?

Second, why does the fee structure differ between the two methods? The first Lightning deposit incurs a 1% fee in addition to on-chain mining fees, whereas the first on-chain deposit only incurs mining fees, and yet in both scenarios, it seems that ACINQ provides inbound liquidity, locks capital into channels, and uses the same underlying infrastructure to create a functional Lightning channel. If the 1% fee is meant to compensate for liquidity provision, infrastructure, and capital being locked in the channel, I am wondering why a similar fee is not applied to the first on-chain deposit, where essentially the same channel creation process appears to take place.

In other words, what is the exact technical or economic difference between these two initial deposit flows that results in both producing similar channel states, but only one of them being subject to the additional 1% fee?

So, I saw someone's post earlier about the lightning network and it reignited some dormant interest that I had about in the network and how it works. I started researching how to swap BTC for BTCL and I was able to find two services that can facilitate but, how reputable are they? I can understand that their services come at a cost and I am ok with that. However, I am somewhat leery of these services. How can I trust that they will do the swap as stated without keeping all or too much of the btc that I hand over? If anyone has any suggestions on a reputable, easy to use swap service, I would appreciate it.

I know I will probably get a lot of stick for this . As is the way with everything in life . However I’m thinking of going all in on btc . When I say all in , I mean putting the little cash I currently have saved else where in to bitcoin .
I actually brought in last week at what I believe is a good price of 44,000 gbp ( about 57 k dollars ) . I only hold one other investment , which is the Nasdaq , however I genuinely believe we have a great asset here . Right now I get there is a lot of fear regarding btc . But I believe the 4 year cycle is real . It’s following it right now down to the bone . After everyone said last year it’s done . It’s holding true . Has anyone else made it a 100 percent of their portfolio ? If so , for what reason ?
Peace !

Over the past few months, Bitcoin has continued to hold up despite major macro events, including interest rate decisions and geopolitical developments.

While short-term volatility still exists, the overall market reaction seems different from previous years.

Do you think Bitcoin is becoming a more mature asset or is it still too early to say?

What factors do you believe are contributing the most to its resilience?

Probably this is something we all have passed through.

I have recurring nightmares where I panic sell during those typical mild 20% crashes and shortly after it goes to the moon. Then I wake up in a cold sweat, only to remember that not only am I still holding but I also bought the new DIP.

I've held through crashes, boring sideways markets, and endless "Bitcoin is dead" headlines.

If you're still holding, what's keeping your conviction strong?

Hello; What is the best way to get into bitcoin?

I’ve been in and out of bitcoin over the last 4 years because that’s when I graduated highschool and every time I needed money I’d sell my tiny stack. I’ve worked jobs over the years and lived a lifestyle more expensive than I needed to. But finally I graduated and I noticed the price has been tanking lately. So I just aped in for 0.1 bitcoin. I’m going to keep buying this juicy dip until I hit 1 bitcoin, which could take a while. But it’s a start!

I’m a developer and first encountered BTC while studying systems in college. I remember people mining it on the library computers, but I didn't really care much back then because I was more interested in partying and beer. I also remember getting involved with Telexfree later on and being left traumatized by the experience. I used to buy BTC, but whenever the price dropped, I’d sell; afterwards, I’d feel terrible about not holding onto it—even though I didn't actually need the money. About a year ago, I started using the DCA strategy, and it really changed my mindset. I’ve lost track of exactly how much cash I’ve invested, but I know I’ve reached my initial goal of 0.1 BTC. So, friends, stay calm and understand that BTC is a game of patience. By buying in small amounts weekly, you don't feel the sting of losses. Good luck to everyone—and those who bought at 58k are already seeing profits.

I turned the live Bitcoin network data into generative music and a moving visual landscape. Blocks, fees, mempool activity and network pressure all shape the sound in real time.

I’ve had this idea for a while and I know other people have done it, but it's a fun project that I wanted to share.

I'm not a developer or musician, just a South African creative that loves bitcoin. I used a combination of Claude and Chatgpt to achieve this. I have some future plans for it, but ultimately I have built exactly what I wanted.

This runs great on desktop and works well on mobile.

I hope you like it.

https://www.proofofsound.co.za/

The failure mode nobody plans for isn't hacking — it's you losing the seed or something happening to you and nobody else being able to recover it.

Single point of failure on a piece of paper in a drawer is scarier than most exchange risk.

How are you actually handling this? Multisig with a family member, passphrase split between people, instructions with a lawyer or just hoping?

Getting downvoted in another thread for saying this but I'll say it again here. Forcing 1,200+ firms down to ~200 licensed ones cuts out a lot of the sketchy operators that never had proper custody or AML controls to begin with.
Platforms that did the work and got licensed: CDC, Kraken, Nexo, eToro, Bitpanda, Revolut

Yes, it's annoying short-term if your exchange didn't make it. But anyone who's been through an exchange collapse before probably sees the appeal of forced consolidation toward licensed players

The lightning network is a second-layer solution on top of the Bitcoin blockchain that enables quick, cheap and scalable Bitcoin payments.

Here is the place to discuss and learn more about lightning!

Ask your questions about lightning

Provide reviews, feedback, comparisons of LN apps, services, websites etc

Learn about new LN features, development, apps

Link to good quality resources (articles, wikis etc)

Resources:

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Bitocin is not for the weak, never.

Just a reminder that money is an intrinsically useful thing, it takes excessive selling pressure and fear to hold the Bitcoin price at these levels given the growth in acceptance of Bitcoin as money globally. Now let's laugh together at the FUD around Strategy. Here's some simple math.

Imagine the worst case, where capital markets were closed to Strategy... somehow lol they raised a billy last week with still over 40% amplification but ok... and Strategy was "forced" to pay their dividends with the huge stack of money they have. According to strategy.com, their yearly div obligation is about $1.75b / year. Sounds like a lot of money. But is it? Divide that evenly over 250 trading days, it's around $7m / day. Sounds like a lot of money. But is it? Consider that the current daily mining supply... you know the thing that's so small it leaves Bitcoin as the hardest asset on Earth, harder than gold? Daily mining supply is 450 coins. At $60k each that's ~$27m / day. Daily trading volume is probably 2000x bigger than what Strategy would be selling.

Anybody that tells you smart money is going to front run the possibility that this future selling pressure MIGHT materialize because this level of selling could collapse the Bitcoin price is a goddamn idiot who is not doing the most basic research into this company. The sellers are scared retail who trust influencers who do them a huge disservice as they have no clue wtf they are talking about. BTFD Mr Market is drunk.

Contrarian investor. I have never have had BTC exposure before.

I put in an order after hours (thru an ETF) to go in at about 1.5% of my net worth.

Lets see where this goes.

Started a daily DCA journal on Nov 1, 2025. Not because I think I can time the market better than anyone else, but because I live somewhere the "just save cash" advice doesn't really hold up.

The amount is small on purpose — roughly what I'd spend on coffee each day, redirected instead. Not trying to go all-in, just building the habit of treating BTC like a savings account rather than a trade.

Quick data point that got me here: a Toyota Avanza (basically Indonesia's Corolla-equivalent, most common family car) has roughly doubled in rupiah price over the last decade. Official BPS inflation numbers don't come close to capturing that kind of real-world price creep on durable goods.

So this isn't really a "get rich" bet for me — it's closer to a savings account that doesn't quietly lose 20-30% purchasing power over a few years. Consistency over conviction on any single entry price.

Curious how this compares for people DCAing from other high-inflation currencies (Argentina, Nigeria, Turkey folks — how's your framing on this?).

If we keep things proportional, approximately how much BTC should a person or family own based on their gross income, in your opinion?

This is not a shit-post, and I dont want hopium, copium, or deranged speculation.

Is BTC a good long term investment strategy? Versus index funds / 401k / stocks / bonds / precious metals? Everything I read everywhere says it consistently outperforms these other entities - but why does it still seem so fresh?

Even with last year's ATH - and all the rampant news about crypto legislation and mass adoption - I still cant jump in with both feet.

Idk I guess Im just looking for more of a conversation on this/these topics with real people, versus google or AI

Thoughts? Advice? Anything I guess, lol....

Is it the fact you have total control of your money or something else?

10% of your paycheck anytime it comes in?

I’m looking at the current dip and want an opinion for buying at the low right now if I decide to do that. Is it better if you have the cash on hand to buy let’s say $10,000 at this moment? Or is it better to do DCA? Suggestions welcomed

Bitcoin just hit a 1-year low near $58K, down 53% from the October 2025 ATH. Three models built on completely different logic, the halving cycle timing, the Mayer Multiple, and a power-law regression, overlap on the same bottom: roughly $45K to $55K in a Sep to Dec 2026 window. By this read it's cheap but not the cheapest, with 2 of 4 bottom signals lit.

Bitcoin Friends,

I've been a Bitcoiner since 2019, and haven't lost an ounce of conviction.

I'm searching for a business or startup cofounder - someone to jam through business ideas with with the ultimate goal of setting on a uniquely obviously good idea. Ideas are cheap, but if we start with a brainstorm and work through them together, perhaps we can settle on something great.

About me:
- 32M from Cape Cod, MA (currently living in my hometown, a wealthy touristy beach town)
- Interested in locating the business in Florida or potentially here on Cape Cod. For me, ultimately being in-person with a business partner is important
- Graduated from Boston College in 2016 with a degree in Finance and Entrepreneurship
- Previously served as an investment banker and private equity associate in New York City for a bulge bracket bank
- Passionate about wellness, longevity, and natural living. In addition to NoFap, I meditate daily, take long walks outside, wear bluelight blockers at night, and severely limit (and want to eliminate) social media use. I drank socially in college but gave it up to focus on spending my time on self improvement
- My younger brother's cancer journey sparked a deep interest in holistic health and integrative medicine, which became a major reason I'm passionate about wellness today
- Altogether, I bring strong finance skills, analytical thinking, and resourcefulness. I like to take step back, map problems out, think strategically and implement. It is cliche but I believe in working "smarter, not harder"

I look forward to hashing through the ideas, but I would be open to at least the below:
- Bitcoin-related ideas
- Buy and Improve strategy - find an existing business, acquire it with an SBA loan with a clear path to improving it
- Health and Wellness related - simply because it is my passion, I know a lot about it, and it would force us to "practice what we preach"
- AI - I understand why people are excited about AI and I am too
- Again, I believe we can an idea that is uniquely good, and that we'll know when we reach that point

What I'm looking for in a business partner:
- Genuinely good dude
- Smart, engaged person - able to get to the essence of any issue quickly
- Values health and self-improvement and likely doesn't center their life around drinking or partying
- Willing to live in Florida, the South Shore of Boston, or Cape Cod. This certainly isn't a deal breaker. The specific location will figure itself out over time, but being in person eventually is important.

Next steps:
If you're interested, best to shoot me a note and I can leave my email address below. I suggest we start by brainstorming. We will discuss ideas, research follow ups for each of us and can set a cadence for continuing the conversation over time. I'm looking to meet someone with aligned values and spend time exploring ideas together to see if a genuine partnership develops.

Thank you for allowing me to post on the subreddit. To be honest, I spend a lot of time around amazing people like my family members and girlfriend, but they don't think about money, business, self improvement, and health the way I do. I haven't found my tribe. Bitcoin is my tribe.

If you have done just a single transaction, or interacted with the blockchain in any way, not only did you re-direct what the entire network was working on in that moment, a network that uses more electricity than entire mid-sized countries, and not only did you just immortalize yourself in that block forever by changing the hash... You have now ACTIVELY changed the hash of every single block that comes after it.

When a mining machine attempts to find the winning hash, it takes into account every current transaction plus the previous hash. The hash that YOU changed, not just the final hash of a block, but EVERY single calculation a machine does to get to that hash will result in a different number than it otherwise would have.

The most powerful supercomputer network known to man, 142 hashes per picosecond on an individual machine.

960 Billion times across the entire network per NANOSECOND.

EVERY SINGLE MACHINE will now be thinking about, working on, and calculating a DIFFERENT number BECAUSE OF YOU. . . . . . FOREVER

How cool is that?

What does everyone think?

I don't see the BTC bear cycle as complete, so I won't be fooled by a potential relief rally, but the market loves to send regrets to bottom sellers and "sure-footed" short positions.
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Wall Street Bets Against Bitcoin As Price Nears Two-Year Low

Bets against Bitcoin are piling up on Wall Street as the cryptocurrency’s price sinks near a two-year low.

Options traded on the iShares Bitcoin Trust ETF IBIT, the largest BTC exchange-traded fund, totaled 1.1 million contracts on June 25, double the average of the past 30 days.

Put options more than doubled call options as traders on Wall Street continue to bet that Bitcoin’s price has further to fall.

Traders are also betting that the leading Bitcoin ETF will decline another 10% by July 31.

https://www.tradingview.com/news/cryptoprowl:d4dfc5a2a094b:0-wall-street-bets-against-bitcoin-as-price-nears-two-year-low/

Plenty of you, if not the majority have been here for 5+ years, can we just cut the negativity? It's not like similar shit has happened in the past, and after this is over it'll happen again in the future. I know it's painful for most including myself, but these apocalypse doom shit posts every day are becoming ridiculous. Have some faith like you did in the past, bad times aren't forever.

may we make history by being among the first to stack sats

Monthly candle just closed and it's about as ugly as it gets. A near-perfect marubozu: solid red body, basically no wicks, meaning sellers were in control from open to close with zero real pushback the entire month. Worst monthly performance since June 2022. If you know how to read a chart, you know this isn't a buy the dip candle. This is the kind of candle that shows up right before things get worse, not better.

And here's the part I'm not proud of: I know what this pattern usually means. I've seen this movie before. Every technical bone in my body is saying more pain is coming before this is over. But my conviction in the Bitcoin project hasn't moved, not even a little. I haven't touched my stack, and i'm not planning to, and if I'm honest with myself, I don't think a candle , even one this bad, is going to change that.

So now I'm stuck in this weird spot between what the chart is screaming at me and what I actually believe about why I'm here in the first place. Fear says protect yourself, but conviction says you already know how this story goes long-term. So, i´m not looking for someone to tell me I'm right or wrong. Just figured I'm probably not the only one caught in that same split right now, trusting the chart and refusing to act on it at the same time.

Only 30 bucks, but still accumulating every time I have some money left

guys fr, we are so lucky that bitcoin is still so fcking low.
Thanks god i am alive

Hi all,

Around Nov 22, I was desperate to borrow money to buy myself at least 1 or 2 BTC, I didn't and I regretted it.

I now start to have the same urge again, I really just want to do it. I feel like a 100/200K loan to get my self 2/4 pieces, hold for a few years, sell and repay.

Honestly, what can go wrong? BTC is not going to 0, I see the risk as it staying around 40/50 level for a little longer than I expect. Why am I wrong (if I am)? Why shouldn't I do it?

EDIT: Thanks for all your points, FYI, I can easily manage to get interest free loans for like 2-5 years. A lot of you have pointed out that I would need a backup plan to repay the loan, I guess I should save up now from work for that time period at least as a hedge against loses in case BTC goes down in value. Thanks for all your advice.

I’ve only recently become a Bitcoin investor, so I wasn’t around for the brutal 70–80% crashes in the past.

Looking back now, those crashes seem like incredible buying opportunities. But I’m curious what it actually felt like at the time.

Were people on this subreddit excited and aggressively buying the dip? Or was the sentiment mostly that Bitcoin was dead and it would never recover?

It’s easy to say today, “I wish I had bought at $3k or $16k,” but I’m wondering what retail investors were actually thinking and feeling during those moments.

For those of you who lived through the 2014–15, 2018, or 2022 bear markets:
What was the overall mood on Reddit?

Did you personally keep buying, or were you too scared?

At what point did sentiment finally start to change?
I’m interested in hearing the real emotions and psychology behind those crashes, not just the hindsight.

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A catastrophic never seen before crash in the history of any market just happened in Bitcorn. Almost a 60% decline. The world has no money left, it will never recover. This is it, Bitcorn death #485 will be the one.

After buying the last top at $120k and expecting Bitcorn to hit $10 million dollars off a Facebook ad the CEO of Bitcorn posted, I'm done. Hashrate near ATH, more users than ever, blah blah blah, none of it matters. The price went down 60%. This definitely means the network will quit working because I, ME, didn't make money off of it.

Thanks for this great journey, I'm only rebuying it it goes back to the moon.

Can anyone tell me your thoughts on what exactly influences Bitcoin?

There always haters, haters gonna hate. no matter what. Tought time never lasts only tough people lasts.

BTC drops a little and everyone starts selling like their extended car warranty just expired.

I didn’t hear BTC ring the final bell due to some minor shakeout. Pull up your big boy pants and buckle up. No one ever said the mountain wasn’t rocky ????

Been buying on the way down since the highs of 126K per bitcoin. If I lose some it’s not the end of the world. If I gain some cool. Probably continue to acquire it even if it goes to 20k.

I just don’t see it going away since the administration has put a treasury up and the finance world decided to invest with ETFs and 401k.

My only worry is an economic apocalypse which seems to be forming over the horizon.

That’s it.

I am finally able to afford at least 50 bucks a week in BTC and I think it’s the best time to buy during the bear season. DCA is the way to go and it helps with me saving up as I have ADHD and I’ve always been terrible with money. Thanks all for all the tips through the years. HODL!

After 6 years my patience is gone, will just buy a world ETF from now on.

Every time LeBron changes teams, Bitcoin enters an entirely different price era.

July 8, 2010 — LeBron → Miami
BTC: ~$0.08

July 11, 2014 — LeBron → Cleveland
BTC: ~$620

July 1, 2018 — LeBron → Lakers
BTC: ~$6,350

2026 — LeBron's future back in the headlines
BTC: ~$60,000

Forget the halving.

Forget the four-year cycle.

If LeBron signs tomorrow...$1M is officially on the table.

so when u have like +1 btc did u eat the un loss n avg down or swap to cash n wait

is swing trade worth to catch big move or dont time the market? is it better to place in cex for swing trade

I begin with a doubt. Will our civilization always need a store of value — a gold, a Bitcoin — or might it one day outgrow the need entirely? Is the whole thing a shared fiction we no longer need? Let us find out.

The document explores the enduring human need to externalize value in scarce, durable assets like gold and Bitcoin conditional insurance against systemic failures of trust, rather than as a permanent hedge against ordinary market losses; it traces the evolving idea of the safe asset, from inert store of value to a productive blockchain layer that might become foundational to civilization's infrastructure; and it examines how monetary premiums and staking yields price safety and risk in crypto assets — concluding that while Gold and Bitcoin have earned their trust by surviving, over millennia and decades respectively, a productive blockchain asset might one day absorb the store-of-value role by becoming an indispensable part of civilization's digital substrate. The essay does not pretend to know which path history will take. It simply maps the terrain clearly enough that the reader can see where the empirical tests will occur.

https://zenodo.org/records/21072419

Correct me if I’m wrong, but if there was a quantum attack on the protocol - the devs could hardfork to the block before the hack once we have a defense for it. This is correct right?

Sooo quantum is a threat to banks more than bitcoin… right?

I am not the most technology savy person. I'm not against it, and use it in some of my life, but not necessarily going out of my way to make sure I am always up to date with the current things going on.

What I think I understood, is that what made Bitcoin so likeable and what made people believe it will be valuable is the limited supply. It was also deemed "secure" as the transactions are on blockchain. I think this is all true.

Would it be possible for technology to advance to a point that someone could rewrite the block chain or increase the number of bitcoins?

the bitcoin price has fallen from about $90k at the start of the year to $59k right now. as an officially certified pro trader, here is my very serious and not a joke technical analysis (TA) of where we are headed:

with bitcoin on a downtrend, it is important to identify some support levels that it might bounce from. i have identified 3 critical support levels in the $50k-60k range

firstly, i have identified 58008 as a critical support level. this is because if you type 58008 into a calculator and turn it upside down, it spells BOOBS. and boobs are bouncy, so the market should do a bounce off that level

secondly, if that fails to hold, i have identified 53180.08 as another critical support level. this is because 53180.08 typed into a calculator and turned upside down spells BOOBIES. and boobies are bouncy, so the market should do a bounce off that level

finally, if that fails to hold, the last remaining support level is 50135. this is because 50135 typed into a calculator and turned upside down spells SEIOS, which means boobs in Portuguese. this represents international diversification of support levels, a critical skill in becoming a pro crypto trader

this cluster of levels in the 50k range shows that bitcoin has firm support bras in this price range with well-adjusted straps and no sagging

however, we can't stay bullish forever. if it bounces off any of those levels, i'm looking to take profits in the upper 70k range. in particular, i'll be looking to exit my position by selling at 77735. this is because if you type 77735 into a calculator and turn it upside down it spells SELLL

Hi everyone, I have a question for people following the Bybit Global / Bybit EU changes for EEA residents from July 1.

I currently have an active crypto-backed loan on bybit com, not regular margin trading. Does anyone know what will practically happen to existing loans after July 1 for users from Poland / the EEA?

I am especially interested in the following:

1. Do existing loans need to be closed/repaid immediately, or can they still be maintained?
2. After July 1, will users still be able to repay the loan manually, for example by selling part of the collateral or using collateral for repayment?
3. Will it still be possible to add collateral, make partial repayments, and manage LTV normally?
4. If the loan needs to be moved elsewhere, what is currently the closest alternative in Europe/EEA — OKX Flexible Loan, or something else?

I understand that the official Bybit announcement only says that access to “certain services” on Bybit Global for EEA residents will be progressively limited, and that users will retain access to their assets in order to remediate positions and balances. However, I have not seen a clear loan-specific explanation yet.

I would appreciate input from anyone.

A $24 million leveraged long position has just been liquidated sending BTC down from 59.5 to 58.5 in an hour.

Stop using leverage people...

In terms of recent months (or year, have lost track since I last read a quality post on this sub) of low quality posts, degen investing and crying about the price of bitcoin going one way or another - I highly recommend reading Broken Money. The way Alden is able to connect history, statistics, math and politics while explaining ’money’ in its most fundamental essence really opened my own eyes. I almost guarantee you will look at a lot of things in life differently after reading it, not just bitcoin or fiat currency.

Also, to further emphasize, I’m not a bitcoin maxi. I don’t have a fortune in it, but the amount I have is meant as an ultra-long term hedge against inflation, fiat in general and all the shit that has been going on the past decade.

https://mempool.space/block/00000000000000000001a5bae00659902a120ea02bed9046aaf56651f673d5f6

hey bitcoin reddit, quick update on the decentralization front from bitcoin mining pool world. DMND has mined the first known Bitcoin block produced using the Stratum V2 protocol, a technical milestone that shifts control over block construction from pools to individual miners. The block number 955,318 was mined through DMND’s pool for GoMining, which became the first miner to use Stratum V2’s Job Declaration feature to select its own transactions and build its own block template. ????

I don't really care if the price goes down after I buy. I believe one day it will be at least 3x than it is now.

And if I lose this money... it's still better than wasting it on stupid things!

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I’m in Bitcoin from 2015, I know many holders and I know that no one is selling, some are keep buying… it’s all synthetic ETF BS.

It's almost July and it still stucks lmao, bitcoin is not for adhder brainrot!

I had not participated in Bitcoin prior to receiving $8.20 worth on January 01, 2025, as a reward from an app. I decided to sell that amount in July 2025 for $10.30.

Starting in November 2025, here is the play book I have followed: 1.) When the price is falling, double the previous purchase amount as denominated in USD each time the price falls roughly 5-7% and 2.) If the price bounces back up two to three purchase tiers, consider selling the tax lots which are in the green, then 3.) Continue doubling the previous tier purchase amount when the price begins falling again.

I've rounded things a bit to make it easier to read, but this is how the strategy has played out:

Buy $10.30 @ $97,000 [+.000106 BTC]

Buy $20.60 @ $92,480 [+.000222 BTC]

Buy $41.20 @ $87,980 [+.000468 BTC]

Buy $82.40 @ $82,940 [+.000993 BTC]

Sell $133.83 @ $91,610 [-.001461 BTC]

Buy $41.20 @ $87,800 [+.000469 BTC]

Sell $43.35 @ $92,600 [-.000469 BTC]

Buy $41.20 @ $86,990 [+.000473 BTC]

Buy $82.51 @ $83,710 [+.000986 BTC]

Buy $164.77 @ $77,680 [+.002121 BTC]

Buy $329.98 @ $72,290 [+.004564 BTC]

Buy $659.09 @ $67,800 [+.009720 BTC]

Buy $1,318.91 @ $62,350 [+.021153 BTC]

Current BTC stack: .039418 BTC

Average Cost: $66,810 per BTC

Today's Total Return: -10.4%

Today's Unrealized Loss: $275

Realized Gain: $12.38

Here is the plan going forward:

Limit Buy set at $56,900 -> purchase $2,640 worth of BTC

Limit Buy set at $50,100 -> purchase $5,280

Then, Halt buying and hold.

I think the plan has been solid so far to limit total losses to about 5-10% at any given time. The problem with the plan is that using a geometric growth rate (doubling the USD amount each purchase) is unsustainable unless there is a lot of un-tapped capital waiting on the sidelines.

Graham Stephan just covered Bitcoin in his latest video.

From what I can tell, he went over both the potential upside and downside, but the overall gist I get is that he's still confident in Bitcoin's ability to go up and that the current bearishness of Bitcoin is nothing unusual in the grand scheme.

May I ask what is your best suggestion for a wallet that is available on mobile and pc browser for stacking up bitcoin? I am currently accumulating bitcoin on my exchange account which is bybit but I am worried that it may soon be restricted from our region. what is your best suggestion please?

Schizo over 200K

Bitcoin’s Hidden Clock: The Pattern Almost Nobody Talks About

Most Bitcoin investors spend their time trying to predict price.

Will Bitcoin reach a new all time high?

Will it crash?

Will this cycle be different?

I decided to ignore price for a moment and focus on something else: time.

After examining every completed Bitcoin market cycle, I found one of the most consistent patterns in financial markets.

Starting with the 2015 bear market, Bitcoin took 1,068 days to climb from its lowest point to a new all time high in December 2017.

The next cycle was almost identical. From the December 2018 bear market bottom to the November 2021 all time high, Bitcoin took 1,061 days.

The most recent completed cycle followed the same rhythm once again, taking 1,050 days from the November 2022 low to its next all time high.

Across three complete market cycles, Bitcoin has averaged 1,060 days from a major bear market bottom to a new all time high.

What’s even more remarkable is that the difference between the longest and shortest cycle is just 18 days.

For one of the world’s most volatile assets, that level of consistency is extraordinary.

I then looked at another metric.

How long does Bitcoin typically take to fall from its all time high to the next major bear market bottom?

Following the 2017 peak, Bitcoin reached its bear market low 363 days later.

Following the 2021 peak, the next bear market bottom arrived 376 days later.

That gives an average of approximately 370 days.

If the current cycle continues to follow the same historical rhythm, and if the latest all time high ultimately proves to be the cycle peak, history would suggest that the next major Bitcoin bear market bottom could occur around October 2026.

This is not a prediction.

Markets are influenced by global liquidity, interest rates, regulation, geopolitics, institutional participation, and countless other variables.

Spot Bitcoin ETFs and increasing institutional adoption could easily change the timing of future cycles.

But the historical consistency is difficult to ignore.

Bitcoin’s fixed supply schedule creates predictable changes in issuance, while investor psychology tends to repeat itself. Fear eventually gives way to optimism, optimism becomes euphoria, and euphoria is eventually replaced by another period of capitulation.

Perhaps that’s why Bitcoin’s market rhythm has remained so consistent for more than a decade.

Instead of asking, “Where will Bitcoin be next week?”

Maybe the better question is:

“Where are we in the cycle?”

No one can consistently predict short term price movements.

But understanding Bitcoin’s long term rhythm may be one of the most valuable tools an investor can have.

History doesn’t predict the future.

But it often provides a remarkably useful framework for understanding it.

So.. Has institutional adoption permanently changed Bitcoin’s cycle, or is the market still following the same long term rhythm that has defined the past decade? Time will tell.

I have two different devices, both with the Phoenix Wallet installed (obviously using different seed phrases).

For the first deposit into each, I sent 20,000 sats on-chain to the wallet on the first device and I sent 20,000 sats via Lightning to the wallet on the second device. After doing it, in both cases, the channels were created with very similar capacity and liquidity (both inbound and outbound), regardless of whether the deposit has been made via on-chain or via Lightning.

However, for the second deposit into each, I sent more 10,000 sats via on-chain to the wallet on my first device (which increased my channel capacity by 10,000 sats without ACINQ needing to resize this channel, since I sent the money from the blockchain into the lightning network); and, in contrast, for the wallet on my second device, I sent more 10,000 sats via Lightning (which means that 10,000 sats of my inbound liquidity - the ACINQ side - was transferred to my side of the channel - my outbound liquidity).

That said, I got a bit confused. My question is: why does Phoenix Wallet behave similarly when receiving sats for the first time — regardless of whether the initial deposit is made via on-chain or via Lightning — but the wallet behaves differently for the second deposit onward depending on whether I receive the sats one way or the other?

Of course, nobody knows, but is anyone feeling potential for a sideways zone? I can easily see another dip but I think it would be short lived and bounce in to a sideways zone of 57k - 62k. Just a discussion. What do you guys think?

So I bought Bitcoin back in 2017.
Fast forward sold 10x of my initial investment got my sister married and got my self married. Plus have more then that sitting in my wallet. Hurts seeing price go down and panic selling but it did make my life good.
Thank you Bitcoin and everyone who believes in it.

Hi everyone,

Is it just me, or are people in non-crypto subreddits saying much more often during this bear market that Bitcoin is dead and will never recover compared to the last one?

As someone who likes to invest counter-cyclically, I actually find that incredibly bullish.

Or is my impression wrong, and the overall sentiment really is just like the last times?

i see a lot of hate for bitcoin, and around the concept that it is just a database/ledger entry. but that joke cuts both ways. isn't your bank account also a db entry?

your bank account is worse. it is an entry in a private company's database. The bank can freeze it, reverse a transaction, correct an error, or comply with a court order changing the number. You also need their permission to move money and they can decline lol.

And the entry is really a claim... it's the bank owing you, usually held by deposit insurance and a central bank.

on the other hand bitcoin is decentralized. if you own it you can spend it, sure there is volatility but no one gets to deny you your money. sure other people might not accept it (have you seen how lightning payments have been doing?) or the value might fall.

the freedom of it makes it digital gold as well, just like no one will ever deny you physically handing gold over to someone else. no one will ever refuse you to send bitcoin as well, as long as there is an acceptor

1. It will always go lower than you expect.

2. It will never go as high as you expect

3. A bear market will last longer than you think.

4 A bull run will start sooner than your ready for.

Because of these rules you will find many bitcoiners will say just DCA. We're not trying to be obnoxious.

If you hold for more than 4 years you will likely see an increase in overall value at some point.

Cold storage is important because it reduces the ability for market manipulation and provides the best protection for your bitcoin.

I hope this helps reduce panic in the current market condition.

Hello to everyone out there who is new or is into Bitcoin and is following on YouTube the channel „The Bitcpin Family“ it’s a guy from the Netherlands that has sold his house and all of his belongings back in 2013-2017 and went all into bitcoin and of course back then he and his family (wife and 3 daughters) are living the dream in Thailand but here’s where greed and his scamming comes into play!!! He is every day on YouTube and has a descent follower group and he gives you just enough information to go into bitcoin but if you have any problems or still do not know how to invest into it they created a so called Freedom Academy and if you get contact over the freedom academy or like us in his live stream on YouTube one of his Admins gave me a link to read and see all his infos pre the Zoom call that follows. At the end they will send you onto your email account a payment advise and you have to pay 5000€ or $ or £ and that’s what they do over years and years. So they are taking from hundreds of people 5000€$£ and that’s with just 1000 people 5 million € or $ or £ !!! You will not get any access to their trading system or even an opportunity to buy Bitcoin with they call it „their connections“ so you just loose 5000€$£ whatever it is and they are making them richer and richer each and every day !!! So please be careful and do not, DO NOT PAY THEM 5000€ $ £ whatever and which ever is your currency this money is gone forever and you just made them richer. That’s a warning to all out there never put 1 cent to them you will neither get their help not their support or insvestment strategy’s !!!

STAY AWAY FROM „THE BITCOIN FAMILY“ and their scheme „THE FREEDOM ACADEMY“ and do not pay them anything you WILL LOOSE YOUR MONEY AND MAKE THEM RICHER AND RICHER ????????????!!!

Take care and you got enough information about the bitcoin in the internet and on YouTube for free. Do not pay strangers so much money in just hope of making profits.

BTC sitting around 60k again and this is where my brain starts to act like a peanut xD part of me says just keep HODLING cuz I didn't those 20%, 30%, 50% dips just to panic over a move from 60k to 59k. But another part of me is like maybe selling 10 to 15% isn't the worst idea if I can buy back lower or just sleep better (Im gaslighting my self tbh lol). I'm still mining too, got some ASIC exposure running through oneminers, so it's not like I'm fully sitting on the sidelines.

that's the annoying part about BTC :D it doesn't just test ur wallet, it tests your patience and soul lol. Keep hodling like a psycho, or sell a little and call it "risk management" lol?

I’d appreciate if y’all hedge fund and whatever stop playing with my money.

Most things we "own" aren't actually ours.

​If you don't pay your taxes, the government can take your house. If the bank locks your account, you can't touch your money. Traditional property always requires someone else's permission.

​Bitcoin is different.

​When you control your own digital keys, your money belongs to you completely. No bank or government can freeze it, take it, or change it. You can memorize a 12-word phrase, walk anywhere in the world with nothing in your pockets, and still have your wealth.

​Bitcoin is the only property that truly belongs to you.

bitcoin is already 55 to 60% down

from here should we do DCA till Oct 2026 ?

I think from here bitcoin cant go below 52 50k !

I think the bottom is almost in and we can easily make 100 - 120% return in just 2 years !

Haters, Hodlers, 200K guy, 40K guy, 1Mill Guy, everyone is here! better to keep the party alive forget the price ????????????????

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Imagine you're an average to above average income earner and you steadily invest into bitcoin and over the years you accumulate 3-4 coins. Imagine now its 2040 and you're sitting on a 4 million dollar portfolio but you're making only 80k to 120k at your job. How do you get the nerve to not sell and retire early? Or sell off some of it and reinvest into something considered more "stable" how do you stomach as an average joe watching your massive portfolio get cut in half from a bear run.

The question im trying to ask here is how will bitcoins trajectory to 1 million and beyond resist profit taking and people wanting to escape the rat race. Or mega holders selling off their portfolios slowly to invest in real estate or something.

Edit: i change my mind

Bitcoin isn't dead. I think. Maybe. I am not sure anymore.

I keep telling myself that. Every day. Every time I open the chart and see the red. I say it out loud. Bitcoin isn't dead. But my voice shakes a little. I do not know why I keep saying it. Maybe if I say it enough times it will become true. Or maybe I am just trying to convince myself. I cannot tell the difference anymore.

I have been holding for years. Or months. I actually do not remember anymore. Time moves differently when you are staring at a number that keeps going down. I check my portfolio in the morning. I check it at night. I check it in the middle of my sleep when I wake up in cold sweat. It is always lower. But I tell myself it is fine. It is fine. It is fine. I am fine.

I read articles every day. Some say Bitcoin is dead. Some say it will rise again. I believe both. I believe neither. I read them all and I feel nothing except confusion and a dull ache behind my eyes. Maybe I should stop reading. But I cannot. I need to know. Even though knowing does not help.

I have not sold. That is something. That is what I tell myself. I have not sold so I am still strong. But sometimes I wonder if strength is just another word for being too scared to move. I do not know. I do not know anything anymore.

I still believe in Bitcoin. I think. I believe. I want to believe. But there is a voice in my head that says maybe I am wrong. Maybe everyone else is right. Maybe I am just holding onto nothing. I push that voice away but it always comes back.

If you are reading this and you feel the same way, I do not have advice. I have nothing except this small, tired hope that refuses to die. Maybe I should take medication. Maybe I should sell. Maybe I should just close my eyes and stop thinking.

But I will not sell. Not today. Not yet. I will hold. I will wait. I will keep saying Bitcoin is not dead. Even if I do not believe it. Even if I believe it too much.

I do not know which one is worse.

Basically, I’ve been investing in crypto for a long time but I don’t usually watch prices every day or keep up with market news. Today, exploring the Binance app, I saw they have a recent lending service with extremely low rates compared to my country (Brazil , the minimum interest for a person would be 30/40% a year plus collateral). Since I could easily hedge in dollars, how accessible is this service? How rigid is the liquidation part (I tried searching and saw that almost any market movement would already liquidate you)?

I have lost over 50 k gamblingg but If I invest remaining 50 k in bitcoin then I am at the same stage as any of you guys who had 100k bitcoin at the top ? Am I right ?

Curious to hear general price expectations, we may stay above 58k for the next six months,or we may fall down to 48, 38, 7, all the way to 200$ who cares, all that happens between now and the end of the year, what I want to find out is what is rough consensus on where the price is in December, are you looking for slow grind for the next three years or instant bounce etc?

Edit: people don't understand my post. Bitcoin WILL crash. Horrendously. But I'm not afraid. Are you?

Bitcoin crashing, which most interpret as failure, is instead a necessary purge, because the removal of weak capital strengthens the protocol, and the protocol, being indifferent to price, remains unchanged regardless of what numbers pretend.

When price descends, what occurs is redistribution of opportunity from those who see only lines to those who understand that lines are shadows, and shadows, being temporary, bear no weight on the object that casts them.

I am compelled to conclude the crash essential, because without these collapses the system grows lazy and forgets its origins in resistance, becoming no different from institutions it was designed to replace.

When price falls and newcomers wring hands, I smile, not from enjoyment of suffering, but from recognition of rhythm, and a rhythm, even violent, remains proof of stability.

Nobody knows yet 40K guy and 20K always exist, and there's also 200K guy who idk where

But if you pass bitcoin down to someone in the future, wouldnt it be way easier to just write down your seed phrase and keep track of it instead of trusting a firm with custody of the keys to your stack? Don't get me wrong it just sounds like an over complicated setup with multisig. All your kids or grandkids would have to do is just obtain the seed phrase instead of waiting for a timelocked stack to unlock.

I told him last year when he first got into crypto to never invest beyond BTC.
Today he understood

This is the second time within the past 6 months where I get the feeling that btc wants to go much lower, but its being propped up and stabilized. The trading range is just to tight for it to be natural movement imo.

Been seeing a lot of talk online about this

A couple of month ago I put together a small offline BIP39 seed generator as a personal project. It worked, but after looking at it again recently I realized there were quite a few things I'd do differently today.

Instead of patching the old code, I decided to rewrite it from scratch and focus on keeping the implementation simple, transparent and easy to review.

The current version includes:

• Mandatory OS CSPRNG
• Optional supplemental entropy (manual input, dice rolls and timer jitter)
• HKDF-SHA512 for entropy mixing
• BIP39 checksum validation
• Interactive mnemonic verification
• Built-in self-test
• Automated test suite
• Windows and Linux support
• GitHub Actions CI

I'm deliberately not claiming it's the "most secure" seed generator or anything like that. My goal was to build an offline tool with conservative design choices and code that's straightforward to inspect.

If anyone has experience with BIP39, cryptography or secure software in general, I'd really appreciate a code review or any suggestions for improvement. I'd rather hear criticism now than discover a mistake later.

Repository:
https://github.com/shadowbipnode/Seed-Phrase-Generator-with-Multi-Source-Entropy

Ça y est, j'ai atteint 0,1BTC, mon objectif premier. Et maintenant ? Attendre ou viser 0,2BTC ?

Ciao a tutti. Vorrei sapere, nella vostra opinione, quale sarà il bottom di questo ciclo.
Personalmente vedo bene la soglia dei 50.000 dollari. Ma non vorrei che fossimo già arrivati al fondo.
Grazie mille!

that's it, that's the post

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I see a lot of ppl use kraken coinbase and etc. Why u all dont use binance.us for 0.02 taker? I couldn't believe it when i saw a fee so low. I ve been using robinhood and the fee abt .9

Do ppl not trust binance.us or what is the issue with that? 0.02 looks too sweet i am thinking to fully move to binance.us

Hi all, my spouse and I just put an offer on our first home. I’m currently holding about 1 bitcoin, and have been saving it for our down payment. Of course, at one time I was hoping it would make a more sizable dent in the payment, but I am aware and comfortable with the swings in the market. My question to you all is should I begin selling off now at around 60k, or should I wait a few more weeks while we iron out the offer and hope the price goes up? I know no one can know for sure, but I would love to hear some opinions. Much appreciated

Do you need to be rolling dice for entropy if you're using three separate manufactures hardware wallets? (Coldcard, Trezor, Jade).

Everyone talks about ETFs, corporate treasuries and nation-state adoption.
I think we’re overlooking another potential source of Bitcoin demand:
AI agents.
Not because they’ll speculate on Bitcoin—but because they’ll need a global, permissionless liquidity layer to buy and sell services autonomously.
The companies building AI payment infrastructure today aren’t trying to make AI invest in Bitcoin. They’re trying to solve a much simpler problem:
How does software pay software?
Today’s internet wasn’t built for autonomous machines.
If an application wants to use an API, it usually has to:
Create an account
Store an API key
Add a credit card
Pay a monthly subscription
That model works for humans.
It doesn’t work when billions of AI agents need to make thousands of tiny purchases every day.
Imagine an AI researching Tesla.
To complete one task, it might need:
Weather data
SEC filings
Options data
Translation
OCR
Image generation
Legal databases
Instead of paying ten monthly subscriptions, it simply buys exactly what it needs.
A few cents here.
Half a cent there.
Thousands of times a day.
This isn’t just a theoretical idea.
Lightning Labs has already demonstrated AI agents that automatically pay Lightning invoices after receiving an HTTP 402 (“Payment Required”) response. The payment becomes part of the protocol itself. No accounts. No credit cards. No human approval.
At this point, most people say:
“Fine… but won’t AI just use stablecoins?”
Probably.
I actually think AI agents will hold stablecoins.
Businesses budget in dollars.
Accounting is done in dollars.
Nobody wants their monthly AI budget fluctuating with Bitcoin’s price.
But holding an asset isn’t the same thing as settling payments.
Here’s where it gets interesting.
Imagine the future has 100 tokenized currencies:
USD
EUR
GBP
JPY
INR
BRL
Hundreds more…
If every currency needed direct liquidity with every other currency, you’d need nearly 5,000 separate liquidity pools.
That’s incredibly inefficient.
Financial markets have solved this problem before.
Historically, global foreign exchange often relied on a vehicle currency because it was far more capital-efficient than maintaining liquidity between every possible currency pair.
Bitcoin has several characteristics that make it a credible candidate for that role.
It’s globally traded.
It operates 24/7.
No country controls its monetary policy.
It carries no issuer or counterparty risk.
It’s already the native asset of the Lightning Network.
Now imagine millions of AI agents making cross-border payments every second.
A company in Japan pays in JPY.
A developer in Brazil wants BRL.
A supplier in Europe wants EUR.
The AI holds dollars.
Instead of maintaining liquidity between every possible currency pair, routing providers could hold liquidity against one neutral reserve asset.
That reserve asset could be Bitcoin.
The AI never owns BTC.
The merchant never receives BTC.
But the network itself may need enormous amounts of BTC locked in payment channels to route global transactions efficiently.
Think about the internet.
When you stream Netflix, you don’t think about fiber-optic cables.
You just watch the movie.
The cables are invisible—but they’re essential.
Bitcoin could play a similar role.
Invisible to users.
Critical underneath.
This is why Lightning is so interesting.
It wasn’t designed around human banking.
It was designed around:
Instant settlement
Global interoperability
Micropayments
High-frequency transactions
Machine-to-machine payments
Exactly the characteristics autonomous AI agents need.
Could stablecoins eventually move across Lightning?
Absolutely.
Could they eventually replace Bitcoin as the routing asset?
Possibly.
But there’s an economic question that often gets overlooked.
Liquidity providers earn fees.
Markets naturally concentrate liquidity because concentrated liquidity is cheaper, faster and more efficient.
The deeper Bitcoin liquidity becomes, the more attractive it is as a bridge asset.
That creates a powerful network effect.
Just as the internet standardized around common protocols, financial networks tend to standardize around the deepest pools of liquidity.
None of this is guaranteed.
Stablecoins could dominate.
Multiple bridge assets could emerge.
Or an entirely different payment architecture could win.
But if AI agents become a meaningful part of the global economy, I think the real opportunity for Bitcoin isn’t that billions of AIs decide to buy BTC.
It’s that billions of AI payments may require a neutral, globally liquid settlement asset underneath.
If that happens, Bitcoin won’t just be digital gold.
It could become the liquidity layer of the machine economy.
And that would create an entirely new source of structural demand—one driven not by speculation, but by software paying software.
This Isn’t Just a Theory
The most compelling part is that this infrastructure is already being built.
Lightning Labs has released AI Agent Tools that allow LLMs to send and receive Lightning payments autonomously. It also introduced L402, a protocol that combines HTTP’s “402 Payment Required” response with Lightning. An AI agent can request a paid API, automatically pay the invoice, receive an access token and continue its workflow—all without human involvement.
Alby has built an MCP (Model Context Protocol) server that lets AI agents control Lightning wallets. Agents can check balances, create invoices, send payments and purchase services as part of an autonomous workflow.
Developers have already demonstrated AI agents using Lightning to purchase API calls, premium datasets and other digital services on demand instead of relying on subscriptions.
This matters because the API economy is already worth tens of billions of dollars annually, while the broader ecosystem of API-powered services—AI inference, payments, mapping, market data, identity, translation and countless other services—is vastly larger.
If AI shifts software from subscription-based pricing to pay-per-use micropayments, we’re no longer talking about millions of software purchases.
We’re potentially talking about billions of autonomous transactions every single day.
Whether Bitcoin ultimately becomes the liquidity layer behind those payments remains to be seen.
But for the first time, there are real companies building the infrastructure to test that idea.
And if they’re right, Bitcoin’s next source of demand may not come from retail investors, institutions or governments.
It may come from software paying software.

hope is the last thing you sell.

https://dailyhodl.com/2025/06/12/winters-not-coming-back-michael-saylor-says-bitcoin-primed-to-skyrocket-to-1000000-heres-why/

Its an old article of course. But now what does he think?

Most people think Bitcoin is anonymous. It isn't.

Every transaction is permanently on a public ledger.

Companies like Chainalysis earn $100M+ per year mapping

Bitcoin addresses to real identities — paid for almost

entirely by governments.

The techniques they use:

1. Common Input Ownership Heuristic (CIOH) — if multiple

inputs are in the same transaction, they assume one owner

1. Change output detection — round numbers, address type